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• 1. blizzy 20.05.2009 at 9:08 pm

  I can’t wait too. I’m glad it’s not dead project yet.

• 2. BoTi 20.05.2009 at 10:12 pm

  Great news. The screenshots are nice also.

• 3. Markus 20.05.2009 at 10:49 pm

  I love Intype and can’t wait too. Looking forward to the release of the final version.

• 4. dan_delaney 21.05.2009 at 12:04 am

  Screenshots looking good…

• 5. Shyam 21.05.2009 at 1:05 am

  One thing I loved about intype was it didn’t use the ugly vista/win7 toolbar backgrounds :(

• 6. Anonymous coward 21.05.2009 at 1:38 am

  We await ansiousxly!!!

• 7. Ingwar 21.05.2009 at 10:43 am

  @Shyam: It still doesn’t. The gradients are its very own.

• 8. Shyam 21.05.2009 at 2:17 pm

  @Ingwar: Not on the latest screenshots look at the menu toolbar and tbh I’m not really a fan of the new tabs or that gradient used on the tabs. THe “flat” look used currently works much better.

• 9. mvm 21.05.2009 at 3:13 pm

  Thanks for twitter! It’s a good choice for the thing we’ve been asking for years - short, but rather regular signs that intype team is alive.

• 10. Ingwar 21.05.2009 at 3:16 pm

  @Shyam: Yeah, well, I’m not a fan of those gradients either. But the menu toolbar is OS’ “problem”, not Intype’s and one easily dealt with. Just change the theme.

• 11. baael 21.05.2009 at 3:38 pm

  yes, with gradients looks fat… instead of flat.

• 12. estmatic 21.05.2009 at 3:59 pm

  Didn’t even know you guys used twitter and here I am waiting for announcements on the blog or forum…

  If that’s how you will be communicating current progress then maybe you can integrate your tweets with the website?

• 13. Anonymous coward 21.05.2009 at 4:07 pm

  I like the “flat” tabs!

• 14. Anonymous coward 21.05.2009 at 4:33 pm

  Getting close… Yeah, right…

• 15. dan_delaney 21.05.2009 at 4:49 pm

  @estmatic, from the previous blog post about the website i think Ivan has integrated the Tweets into the design.

• 16. Martin Cohen 21.05.2009 at 4:53 pm

  The flat tabs: Every change in UI is very sensitive thing and we are aware of that, but I bet that if we will be facelifting it next time, you will miss these fat ones.

  But just to calm things down: The gradients will be gone if you switch to Default theme in Windows (it’s not implemented just yet, but it’s on the list for the final release of 0.3.5). In this mode, Intype looks much closer to the previous version.

• 17. Anonymous coward 21.05.2009 at 5:22 pm

  But just to calm things down: The gradients will be gone if you switch to Default theme in Windows

  that’s awesome since I’d like all my apps to fit the plain Windows default style, for boring it can be :)

  great work, guys!

• 18. Brendon Kozlowski 21.05.2009 at 5:37 pm

  @Ivan: I know that the new website is going to be replacing the current one eventually, but why not add the twitter feed to the sidebar in this one for the time being?

• 19. Ivan Čentéš 21.05.2009 at 5:46 pm

  @Brendon Kozlowski: Actually, that’s my plan for this evening, right after I get home from work :)

• 20. Anonymous coward 21.05.2009 at 6:13 pm

  @Martin Cohen - uff thanks, I really dont like areo and similar, only classic or areao :) Thank You, thank You, thank You Martin.

• 21. Joan Piedra 21.05.2009 at 6:55 pm

  Did you just roll back the Find UI, or is this a “Quick find” UI?

  I really like the possibility to do a multi-line search query. Hope you didn’t kill that feature yet.

  Looks good, best of luck on the release.

• 22. Przemyslaw Bajno 21.05.2009 at 9:30 pm

  Intype looks awesome even it’s design it’s pretty and it’s what makes my addictive to this piece of software. Keep doing your work cos your’re doing it great but slowly a little. I have said that before. Haven’t I?

• 23. Brendon Kozlowski 21.05.2009 at 10:27 pm

  @Ivan: Awesome! :)

  @Joan Piedra: I completely agree.

• 24. Przemyslaw Bajno 21.05.2009 at 10:45 pm

  I gotta tell you something. Some files gotta be execluded from list of files included in project/folder. I mean files like (png,psd,jpg,ico,gif,zip,rar) all the files that are completely useless to the texteditor where you can’t do nothing with them. So why showing them in the listing? This should implied in this app. I’m using E-Texteditor and i must tell you this. This app has this option ^^ :P

• 25. David B. 21.05.2009 at 10:58 pm

  I’m pretty excited to see some progress being made and am anxiously awaiting a new unstable release or, even better, a new stable release. There’s a very small list of “deal breaker” bugs/ missing features that are keeping me from using this as my primary editor. Keep up the good work!

• 26. baael 22.05.2009 at 9:13 am

  Twitter updates on main site, great!

  Here’s icon I made :P if You want http://baael.pl/twitintype.jpg

• 27. Brendon Kozlowski 22.05.2009 at 10:17 pm

  I like that, baael.

• 28. Ivan Čentéš 23.05.2009 at 12:08 am

  Me too :) Thanks baael.

• 29. baael 23.05.2009 at 9:34 am

  thanks :)

• 30. mehedi 23.05.2009 at 3:39 pm

  OMG THE SOFT IS AWSOMEEE!!! I CANT Live 1 HOUR WITHOUT IT!!!! (in a hallaws eve theme) thanks for making such a awsome fing :)

• 31. Przemyslaw Bajno 23.05.2009 at 5:11 pm

  Yes, sure this is good fing :>

• 32. Anonymous coward 24.05.2009 at 3:50 am

  Intype is so beautiful for me. Cannot wait to see it

• 33. Martin Cohen 25.05.2009 at 8:18 am

  Joan Piedra: We are keeping the search dialog, because it has all search features (such as replace). The “Quick find” (Incremental search) feature will serve as a lighter alternative.

• 34. Chris 26.05.2009 at 4:46 pm

  I think the text editor looks great so far, I’ve been having problems with Notepad++ crashing quite often for me for a while (it seems to be a problem I can’t reproduce consistently and it doesn’t happen to any of my friends that use it). This looks like a potentially fantastic replacement that I’d happily pay a bit for, mainly because I love the clean and lightweight feel to the program (helps me concentrate on the code) I think it uses the design decisions employed by Apple with their GUI tools to nice effect.

  I’m surprised that you’re building your own GUI toolkit because nothing else suits. Seems very bizarre to me (another case of reinventing the wheel). But if that is what’s working to create the look and feel then ok. Will the GUI toolkit ever be open-sourced or available for use in other projects?

• 35. Martin Cohen 26.05.2009 at 5:33 pm

  Chris: Actually current design is a crossover of stuff I’ve seen and liked about other platforms.

  About the GUI toolkit. Well this is very hard topic as I don’t want to blame other projects. Let me just say, that Intype’s AFW does exactly what we want, how we want and does it effectively and without bloat.

  I did not decided whether to make AFW open source yet, but as you said, there is a lot of other frameworks that people might use. Actually, go on, and give me some example of a framework that might suit Intype, I’m just curious.

• 36. Pipo Lambert 26.05.2009 at 8:56 pm

  I cannot wait to see the commands hiding under these menus!!! I really hope that, unlike the e text editor, keyboard shortcuts are 100% customizable :)

• 37. Chris 27.05.2009 at 12:25 am

  Martin: I meant no disrespect from my post above.

  Setting aside the fact I don’t know the specific goals of the text editor and that I haven’t actually tried some of the toolkits I’m about to suggest (which puts me in a very bad position to actually make this post), there are a few options.

  All of my suggestions are cross-platform GUI toolkits:

  ~ Juce: includes a lot more than just a GUI toolkit, in the words of the developers “aiming to be for C++ what the JDK is to Java” (refering to an extensive API). Possibly heavyweight for your current needs although its API would make your app easier to make cross-platform (’easier’ is obviously a relative term).

  ~ NUI: unusual approach to GUI system “based on 3D rendered dynamic layouts” this allows the GUI to be highly customized making platform independant styling possible (no need for a ‘windows look and feel’…etc unless of course that’s what you want, although I do really like the non-windows minimalist lightweight look and feel achieved by the project at the moment). It’s cross-platform status includes MacOSX and the iPhone.

  ~ Qt: it’s a rather obvious choice I’m gonna assume it was avoided because of it’s heavyweight nature.

  ~ GTK: the GUI toolkit tends to look very ugly on platforms other than Linux (where it is usually skinned heavily).

  ~ Ultimate++: don’t know much about it. Thought I would suggest it anyway. It might be of some interest.

  Hope this is interesting in some way.

• 38. Martin Cohen 27.05.2009 at 12:22 pm

  Chris: Thank you for your suggestions. Here are my notes:

  Juce: Looks just too big. And would cost us to £399 + VAT.

  NUI: Platform-dependent look is crucial for Intype. Although we have made some changes to the look of the main window, we are still very close to original. Dialogs are still 100% working with platform renderers.

  Qt & GTK: I agree with what you’ve written.

  Ultimate++: This one seems nice, although it is again implementing stuff, that we already have and depend on it (strings).

  My experience is that you will never know what hell is waiting for you behind those frameworks, unless you study and try them in real situations and that might take time. We decided once to use such frameworks and were heavily disappointed. We tried another one (wxWidgets) and found other problems we would need to solve before actually using it. It’s always uncertain, unless you have years of experience with some of those.

  Also in my opinion, most GUI frameworks suffer from too many contributions and too many users. As I’m a GUI designer, such framework is very personal thing for me. Yes, designing and developing another framework might seem weird, but in the end, it does exactly what I want and nothing more. I can change the code whatever I want, refactor it, play with it, extend it. You cannot do this with any third-party framework, as you will end either in a merge or a lobby hell.

• 39. Mick 28.05.2009 at 1:36 pm

  Just seen your Twitter update “Deployment of releases and screencasts to Amazon S3 ”

  Does that mean we get our new Intype build soon?

  Will beg if it helps? :-)

• 40. Przemyslaw Bajno 30.05.2009 at 5:33 pm

  Yeah, it seems like you’re gettng close almost 2 years :p

• 41. Brendon Kozlowski 02.06.2009 at 5:01 pm

  …and yet plenty of people are still eagerly waiting. What a testament to the product!

• 42. Anonymous coward 02.06.2009 at 7:25 pm

  Release it :D:D

• 43. Junrey Beduya 03.06.2009 at 3:48 am

  You can tell what kind of product Intype is with all these people.

  I have recommended Intype to most of my friends and they’re loving it. Martin, please make a(n un)stable release. We’re begging you. :(

• 44. fanatic 03.06.2009 at 2:08 pm

  release release rыlease (hangry)

• 45. Jorge Sanchez 03.06.2009 at 8:40 pm

  I’m using the alpha version since I download it a week ago, it’s just fantastic, you are doing a really great job.

  I’m also wating for a new realease =)

• 46. awake 04.06.2009 at 1:44 pm

  what is the difference/improvement between the upcoming updated vs the current latest alpha?

• 47. Junrey Beduya 05.06.2009 at 4:27 am

  “Getting close”?

• 48. Derek Garry 06.06.2009 at 1:27 pm

  Is there any chance for FTP ? Without dialog just status info plese!!!!! :)

• 49. Przemyslaw Bajno 07.06.2009 at 11:47 am

  @Derek Garry
  IMO FTP in text editor is useless. You see there are lots of software like PuTTy, ExpanDrive, TCM they all do the job. Why Martin and guys have to do sth if sth was done before. I’m totally against FTP in texteditor. You are programmer so you should work locally and then use FTP, it’s missconcepting? the idea.

• 50. Brendon Kozlowski 08.06.2009 at 8:17 pm

  This is not necessarily a community driven development. We can make suggestions, but ultimately the development path is up to the developers. I *believe* some sort of file updating (FTP/SCM) was somewhere in the FAR future of the project’s roadmap, but considering the team’s design choices in terms of development, I’d imagine it will probably be very lightweight and simply tie in to something else, with minimal support for something to work on its own. This is all complete speculation, except for the fact that the development path is up to the developers. ;)

  @Ivan: Uh oh! Someone nears a “clear” CSS declaration on the main page! :D

• 51. Ivan Čentéš 08.06.2009 at 8:34 pm

  @Brendon Kozlowski: Bug squished, thanks for the report :)

• 52. Ivan Čentéš 08.06.2009 at 9:38 pm

  Ad FTP: http://intype.info/faq/#faq-tech-5

• 53. J. Beduya 11.06.2009 at 7:51 am

  How close is “Getting Close”?

• 54. kib2 11.06.2009 at 11:35 am

  J. Beduya

  Please, remember you’re inside Intype’s world where days are months :)

• 55. teachmeter 11.06.2009 at 4:42 pm

  Great application. I use it every day for my coding. Just can’t wait for the final version. But i suggest giving more visuality options. It is not a big problem but sometimes annoying. :]
  Good Work!

• 56. guest 14.06.2009 at 11:46 pm

  Getting close - four more years and we will be there :/

• 57. mrbromley 16.06.2009 at 9:04 pm

  It seems i’m late to the party and just found you guys as a replacement for Notepad++ as my editor.

  In my quest to rid my ‘Apple Envy’ over the super slick all-in-one Coda I have paired Intype with ExpanDrive which I found through another random post over here

  http://blog.themeforest.net/screencasts/ask-jw-how-do-i-work-on-my-server-in-textmate/

  The end result is my dream (small-footprint) Windows editor.

  Thanks for help making it happen!

• 58. Robin Drost 17.06.2009 at 3:04 pm

  Martin, or any other developer,

  will there be any ftp upload system in the new release?

  regards

• 59. Ivan Čentéš 17.06.2009 at 11:56 pm

  @Robin Drost: http://intype.info/faq/#faq-tech-5

• 60. awake 18.06.2009 at 10:50 pm

  Is the new alpha ready for download anywhere??

• 61. baael 19.06.2009 at 10:23 am

  not yet… :( few days changing into months

• 62. Anonymous coward 20.06.2009 at 2:40 am

  We’re still waiting…

• 63. Junrey B. 20.06.2009 at 4:57 pm

  Here we go again… Dejavu?

• 64. Anonymous coward 20.06.2009 at 5:58 pm

  still waiting….

• 65. Anonymous coward 20.06.2009 at 7:26 pm

  @awake,

  Check back in a few years…

• 66. Mick 20.06.2009 at 7:57 pm

  We’ve been waiting some time, yet we’re still here. Says something for the product these guys are developing

  Be great if we can have it real soon though!

  How about it guys?

• 67. Anonymous coward 23.06.2009 at 8:25 am

  Hellya. I gonna use e-texteditor. u suck!

• 68. Pipo Lambert 24.06.2009 at 8:08 pm

  Lol, at least we know that comments are not censured :)

  You don’t suck, but I am also looking forward to seeing the live Intype.

  Previous anonymous: I switched from TextPad to Sublime Text while waiting for Intype. The author of Sublime is a pompous ass, but his product is apparently well liked by e users. For me, this is just something to bridge the gap in the meantime. (How not to write software: upgrade Sublime and see your customization wiped until you learn to use User Files and not Default Files -> who the hell asks users to type preferences by hand, such a hassle)

• 69. Mick 24.06.2009 at 8:10 pm

  Can you give us an ETA or an update on the new release please.

  I’ve a real fetish for text editors (sad I know, but things could be a lot worse!!!) and I think that Intype is a really slick app, but the new build of Sublime has been released and I can feel myself being drawn to the dark side….. ;-)

• 70. Junrey B. 25.06.2009 at 4:05 am

  It’s been a while since I checked Sublime Text, and I believe it has become more stable and grown much stronger now. I’ll play with it over the weekend.

• 71. Don 25.06.2009 at 5:09 am

  I have been using Intype since the first release and have never asked for anything but now I am could you please let us know something weeks ago it was very close now nothing. Centi if you know anything could you say something?

• 72. Anonymous coward 25.06.2009 at 2:31 pm

  >> The author of Sublime is a pompous ass

  Come on, that’s a bit harsh. What did he do to you to warrant that remark?

• 73. mvm 25.06.2009 at 7:04 pm

  So there’s nothing on Intype front, continuing Sublime text theme…

  > Junrey B.
  > It’s been a while since I checked Sublime Text,
  > and I believe it has become more stable and grown much stronger now.

  Sublime text is as stable as it’s always was: it never crashes, except maybe the time when one write some broken python plugin for it;

  Sublime text is more powerful now, yes, thanks to Textmate snippets and bundles support, support for different text encodings etc. But its main strength is scripting (with python), the thing that Intype will wait for years…

• 74. Ivan Čentéš 25.06.2009 at 10:28 pm

  Don and others:

  Well, I do know something. Yesterday I was at Martins place and saw the new Intype in action. The new UI, new search with built in Intype editor, the new Quick search, Bundle editor and all the other stuff. I can assure you, that none of you could be more impatient to use it as I am :)

  But there is a bunch of small known bugs that need to be fixed before it can leave the bakery. After that we try to smash every other hidden issues in the internal testing and then … well, you know.

• 75. Anonymous coward 28.06.2009 at 8:23 pm

  Com’ onn !!! release it already !!!!!!!!
  I’m sick of waiting. Please release it SOON !!!

• 76. Anonymous coward 30.06.2009 at 12:11 am

  Nice program. I switched from Notepad++. I’ll be tracking the progress of this software as it matures.

• 77. Anonymous coward 30.06.2009 at 4:51 pm

  “Getting caught” is more probably. We’re arriving the end of the sixth week guys. If you’re really close to a releasable version: name a date and observe the deadline. If you don’t succeed again … well, i wouldn’t pay for a half living project …

• 78. Brendon Kozlowski 30.06.2009 at 4:54 pm

  Thanks for the comment, Ivan. I don’t suppose Martin would allow you to convert that in to a news posts with a mention of “It will be ready when it’s ready, we currently have no ETA, but are optimistically hopeful,” or something like that? :P

• 79. Ingwar 01.07.2009 at 4:59 pm

  @Brendon: Isn’t it how it always was?

• 80. Anonymous coward 01.07.2009 at 6:29 pm

  Some kind of ETA would be good. Tell us it’ll be a month away or something realistic. Better than nothing at all.

• 81. Anonymous coward 02.07.2009 at 5:22 pm

  To those who are impatient…

  Well, they are:
  “Tuning TAB, ESC and RETURN keys in user interface. Seems to be the first who actually care.”

  and they said:
  “But there is a bunch of small known bugs that need to be fixed before it can leave the bakery. After that we try to smash every other hidden issues in the internal testing and then … well, you know.”

  They also said:
  “Deployment of releases and screencasts to Amazon S3 implemented in 10 minutes”

  Hmm screencasts? But no matter, just make yourself useful in the forums, they might invite you to their “shadow community”. Then you can watch screencasts and salivate on your keyboard. ;) I am watching one at the moment.

  You’ll need to figure out how to make yourself useful in the pretty-dead forums though.

• 82. Ingwar 02.07.2009 at 7:07 pm

  @Anonymous coward: Hah, that one’s easy. Just make them undead.

• 83. baael 02.07.2009 at 10:59 pm

  panem et circenses :)

• 84. Anonymous coward 04.07.2009 at 3:00 pm

  @baael: Yes, especially the twitter feed…

• 85. JJ 06.07.2009 at 8:42 pm

  Thanks for making such a great program. I am an instructor that teaches web design and I am already using this in class and teaching with it. Great stuff and can’t wait for the update with creating your own snippets.

  Can you make a Lorem Ipsum one in the next update if we are still not allowed to create our own yet?

  Thanks. Great stuff. Keep up the good work.

• 86. Tyler Nichols 07.07.2009 at 3:13 am

  Got to love it, thanks for putting together a good editor that is simple and nice to look at. I’m running it on Windows 7 and it looks beautiful. I might not be running it for long because technically I’m a Mac user, but for the moment it fulfills a missing void in my life :)

• 87. Anonymous coward 08.07.2009 at 8:58 am

  So guys…. did you finish “Finalizing Preferences dialog”?

  How did the “stress testing planned” for last weekend go?

  We want this product SSSSOOOOOOOOOOO bad; please let us know

• 88. Anonymous coward 09.07.2009 at 4:26 pm

  I am so tired of waiting and waiting and waiting… It’s getting absurd, guys!

• 89. Anonymous coward 09.07.2009 at 6:37 pm

  Massive amounts of sarcasm detected in post #81.

  The stress testing appears to be more or less stressing their lungs by chain-smoking. Blurry pictures = no good. The one with Intype visible is showing version .734 unstable.

  Plus “Project file operations are planned for this release, so stay tuned.” They’ll probably promise all the features for this release. And they’ll probably try to weed out every single bug before releasing it instead of relying on the community to help.

  Anyway, at this rate. When this actually gets released, you can just pay for the software and expect no support from the developers.

• 90. Anonymous coward 10.07.2009 at 9:51 am

  Sorry but you are doing something wrong. How can you be so ignorant about your potential customers.

  I wonder what you guys are doing. This is a fuckin’ text editor and not a operating system or something …

• 91. Anonymous coward 10.07.2009 at 11:15 am

  The only thing they did wrong was leaking the info about the editor before it was actually done. The internet is not a nice place so every now and then another a*hole pops in and talks trash for not getting the toy like RIGHT FRIGGIN’ NOW. Other than that all is well.

• 92. Anonymous John 10.07.2009 at 11:55 am

  I think it’s not about getting it right now.

  But what about blog posts like “Getting close” and tweets like “Deployment of releases and screencasts to Amazon S3″ and nothing happens? Isn’t that somewhat disappointing?

  Regards
  John

• 93. Anonymous coward 10.07.2009 at 6:42 pm

  I don’t suppose when its finally released, there’s probably not much difference from the previous unstable release. We’ll see we’ll see.

• 94. Mike Dune 14.07.2009 at 8:50 am

  I think the question is: How close is close? :)

  You guys are stuck in feature creep: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Feature_creep

• 95. Inods 15.07.2009 at 11:33 am

  http://intype.info/blog/bundles-grammars-and-injections/#comment-16138

• 96. Anonymous coward 15.07.2009 at 1:04 pm

  @Inods they said it would take a “few weeks”….that was FOUR MONTHS ago :-(

• 97. Junrey B. 17.07.2009 at 4:21 am

  16 weeks might be considered few… :(

• 98. Anonymous coward 17.07.2009 at 9:43 pm

  Four months is a “few months”. 16 weeks is way too long

• 99. Anonymous coward 18.07.2009 at 8:27 pm

  intype project is dead ?

• 100. Junrey B. 20.07.2009 at 4:20 am

  No, intype is not dead but it will take a few weeks before it can be released. Right?

• 101. Anonymous coward 20.07.2009 at 8:51 am

  Months ago, I have asked, if a new version would be released this year. The question is more actual than ever.

  The whole story is one bad joke!

  Sorry guys, but show us a result or close the project. Your behavior lets stand you in a ridiculous light.

• 102. Anonymous coward 20.07.2009 at 11:03 am

  I’m switching back to Notepad++

  Intype has a nicer interface but the Notepad++ do release.

• 103. mvm 20.07.2009 at 1:51 pm

  Do not forget that Intype team makes more than just an editor. They develop their own controls for it on top of win32 api in order to make editor usability better. This is the point where most existing editors suck. See twitter, most of problems are related to their GUI framework, not editor engine. All this in free time. If they release someday, it will be interesting.

• 104. Anonymous coward 21.07.2009 at 5:01 am

  wait, wait and wait…
  itype is great but,
  I am so tired wait for.. I bought a mac and textmate :)

• 105. Anonymous coward 21.07.2009 at 10:22 am

  Yeah, the way it goes is so incredibly frustrating that I started to ask myself whether I’m still keeping track of the project because of inertia or perhaps some sort of masochistic tendencies I wasn’t aware of. This is ridiculous.

• 106. Mick 21.07.2009 at 12:03 pm

  From the Twitter feed it looks like everything is progressing and the new build will be with us soon. Don’t know about the rest of you guys, but I’m REALLY looking forward to it.

  Can you guys let us have an ETA for the release please.

  Thanks

• 107. Anonymous coward 21.07.2009 at 3:25 pm

  I’m not sure asking for ETA is a good idea. The devs have a history of missing the deadline by year or two.

• 108. Brendon Kozlowski 21.07.2009 at 5:27 pm

  Why are you people so up in arms? You’re able to use a FREE version of the unstable alpha for as long as you’d like. Intype is NOT intended to be a FREE editor once it reaches the 1.0 release state. People complain when Microsoft releases an incomplete OS, and outwardly refuse to purchase the OS until the first service pack; now you people are complaining because the Intype developers want to update the “FREE” beta version of Intype to the point where it’s usable and without major bugs? I don’t understand exactly what ground you have to complain? There are other options if you don’t want to wait - and if you’re still curious about the editor, then just come back and visit when you can. It’s a win/win for you; the only people that stand to lose is the Intype team, and they’re obviously more concerned with producing a quality product for their (eventually) paying customers. I don’t see how that’s all that difficult to understand. Frustrating? Yes. Regardless, it’s not our place to tell them how to run a business that’s run in their spare time.

  @JJ: You can create your own snippets right now. You would need to delve in to understanding the syntax (which may change in the new version), but it’s not really all that difficult to figure out. Look in the C:\Program Files\Intype\bundles\ folder for your language of choice, then the “snippets” folder. There are plenty of full-fledged code examples (that are being used by the editor) to help you understand the syntax.

• 109. Ingwar 22.07.2009 at 12:58 pm

  Having something for free certainly doesn’t mean that we have to put up with devs’ unprofessional behaviour. And being potential customer isn’t an exercise of zen approach to life either. The only good thing I can say about Intype at this point is that it is very promising. So promising, in fact, that it evens out the frustration that comes from the unending wait for its next unstable release. But the frustration grows and the software stays only as promising as it ever was.

• 110. Anonymous 23.07.2009 at 2:20 pm

  Ingwar - What do you perceive as being unprofessional?

• 111. Ingwar 24.07.2009 at 7:52 am

  the way this project is being handled, of course.

  ever since the last unstable release has seen the light of the day, the dev team seems to be set on serving us an exercise of frustration. first there was dead silence about the project while no one really knew whether it is still being developed or not. it took a minor forum drama to encourage martin to start posting updates again. and then there are the releases. how many have you seen in last few months? none. half a year? nada. in the last year then? still nothing. it will be one and a half in a month with no update at all. doesn’t that sound just ridiculous?

  but it gets even worse. every time martin has an outburst of enthusiasm, we learn about new things being done with and around intype. there are code refactorings, there’s creating new ui framework, new website and so on. these are things one would expect happening to a mature project, not one that hasn’t even gotten past a basic demo of what is to come.

  so, is this what you’d call being professional? Because to me it bears all the signs of an ambitious hobby project that will never make it out of the beta.

• 112. Anonymous 24.07.2009 at 11:49 am

  Ingwar - they have always been very open about the project being a second priority to their day jobs. Now, they may not update the site with information as often as we’d like, but i wouldn’t call their behaviour unprofessional either. Unprofessional behaviour would be giving out release dates they can’t meet (certainly not recently), releasing known to be broken software (not as far as I know) etc. etc.

  Now I agree the wait is frustrating, and I wish the team would keep us more informed as to whats going on, but we have a very stable version of intype released last year that’s generally fit for purpose (you wouldn’t call this a suitable demo?). It doesn’t have all the features we want, but Martin et al decided to refactor this, that and the other. It is their prerogative to make changes even if we don’t understand their reasoning. It is their prerogative when they choose to update us. It is their prerogative when and IF to release code to the public (which incidentally has been FREE thus far) or not.

  Whether you like it or not, this is not a commercial product yet. It is also blatently obvious that it is not a product that is going to be released until Martin and the rest of the team are happy with it.

  Obviously using the words “Getting Close” on this blog post were a little optimistic, so:

  Frustrating as hell? Absolutely yes.
  Not enough information since? Absolutely yes.
  Unprofessional? No, I don’t think so.

• 113. Ingwar 24.07.2009 at 4:39 pm

  Is making your potential customers frustrated as hell anywhere close to being professional?

• 114. Anonymous coward 24.07.2009 at 6:18 pm

  Ingwar, I agree with you. They obviously need some kind of manager.

• 115. Anonymous coward 25.07.2009 at 9:31 am

  I hate those twitter updates about “doing final testing” …

• 116. baael 25.07.2009 at 9:01 pm

  Why it is unprofessional? Cause it’s a part time job - only in free time. There is problem - do it fast and earn money fast, but - what is sign of our times: low quality, or do it very good, but very slowly… Guys look for some “angel” to receive some money to start business, Your product look very promising and perhaps it could be the only one for many people. Be Apple in Windows applications world, be Google in business world. You have something extra unique - feel what people need, and perhaps all of Yours future apps will have super usability and lightness.
  Your loyal fan Baael :)

• 117. Anonymous coward 26.07.2009 at 6:26 pm

  This post–from May 29, 2008–might be interesting to read and compare with the twitter updates… if anyone is still hopeful for a release soon:

  http://intype.info/forums/discussion/706/035-drag-drop-session-features-paired-character-vista-support-and-other/#Item_0

• 118. Pipo Lambert 26.07.2009 at 11:26 pm

  Great post Baael! I don’t know what you do in life, but with that kind of mentality, you can only be successful :)

• 119. baael 30.07.2009 at 5:15 pm

  extraordinary not successful… :( but full of faith

• 120. NeoCortex@theamericandeveloper.com 30.07.2009 at 8:57 pm

  What’s the status? This is a great product why let it languish?
  I have not looked around so I don’t know the answer to this but can I get the source?

  Regards
  Tab

• 121. awake 31.07.2009 at 5:50 am

  I hope there are serious copyrights on this editor… the truth is if intype grows more popular and things go on like this, someone will either come up with something with a similar interface and features (or possibly buy it from them if they agree to sell).

  Either way, people will flock to a product that is available rather than be frustrated with the way things are going right now.

  ramble… ramble… ramble…

  Intype (the team i.e.) needs to add more programmers to it’s development core. The only reason I see why this has not happened is one that has to do with the ego (we all have it). No one is saying open source it to the whole world but it’s OK to let one or two bad ass programmers help out or chip in.

• 122. awake 31.07.2009 at 5:51 am

  baael… I’m hoping your definition of successful is not entirely in currency.

  Be yourself and DO YOU!

• 123. Brendon Kozlowski 31.07.2009 at 10:08 pm

  @NeoCortex: You’d want to keep up to date with the Twitter notices in order to know what’s going on with the project.

• 124. Anonymous coward 01.08.2009 at 3:48 pm

  Intype - “Getting close. Since 2007.”

• 125. Anonymous coward 02.08.2009 at 1:07 am

  It has become part of the vernacular: when someone is futzing around with something - “Dude, stop intyping it”

• 126. Ingwar 02.08.2009 at 8:17 pm

  Ah yes, the twitter updates. Gotta love those. Cryptic at best and packing little or no real information. If you’re not familiar with the state of the project - and martin has outdone himself making sure no one is - there’s no way you could make any sense from these tweets.

• 127. Anonymous coward 03.08.2009 at 8:35 am

  The twitter updates look very much like the forum posts from 2008…

• 128. Pipo Lambert 04.08.2009 at 5:52 am

  Lol, keep the faith Baael :) And if you want some good insight, check out Brian Tracy’s audiobooks or “The Success Principles” - I wish someone had told me about these much earlier in my life.

  Anyway, end of off topic. Can’t wait for intype to come out, but I am glad the twitter feed is maintained up-to-date…

• 129. Anonymous dude 05.08.2009 at 8:32 pm

  I’ll have to second the tweets. Besides driving you crazy at the lack of “real” movement, it also creates the false impression of progress. Maybe Martin and team are working on something unholy and outstanding. Then again, when I see things like:

  “Optimizing about box performance”
  “Tuning scrolling arrow”
  “Crashed while typing multiple letters at once, fixing…”
  “Menu bar has been renamed to Menu Bar for faster load times”

  I roll up in laughter and I don’t roll back.

• 130. bms 05.08.2009 at 11:47 pm

  When I’m feeling down, or just want to laugh, I come to this site. While I understand the product is free (for now), it certainly makes me think twice about investing in it when it’s released.

• 131. Pipo Lambert 06.08.2009 at 12:30 am

  Lol, Anonymous dude!

  But frankly, in my case, I prefer receiving cryptic tweets than no update - it’s just psychological I think. Because like you said, I can’t make much of the updates’ meaning :)

• 132. Ingwar 06.08.2009 at 10:17 am

  And testing! Don’t forget the testing! There’s regular testing, internal testing, much harder testing and there’s also next testing iteration. But my personal favorite is the “last internal testing session” which is then followed by four more tweets about testing stuff. And to think all these strict procedures are needed for software developed by two guys in their spare time… How much more ridiculous can this get?

• 133. Anonymous coward 06.08.2009 at 11:31 am

  All these testers willing to work for free and what do they do with them? It just doesn’t make any sense.

• 134. Anonymous coward 06.08.2009 at 12:00 pm

  I think they’re testing us; not the product ;-)

• 135. Anonymous coward 06.08.2009 at 3:29 pm

  Yes, they are very very testing.

• 136. Anonymous dude 06.08.2009 at 5:18 pm

  also forgot to add: Martin & Co. mucho love for coming up with Intype

  Hey, _everyone_ has to bitch about something, at least once a day! It keeps frustration from my back onto someone else’s shoulders ;)

• 137. Anonymous coward 06.08.2009 at 8:56 pm

  first of three? you have to be kidding.

  when 1.0 will be released, we probably won’t need another texteditor because we editor our stuff via brainwaves. hmm braintype. GO!

• 138. Anonymous coward 07.08.2009 at 9:41 am

  By the way, for those who has been asking about the shadow community. It’s probably just the them and their friends.

  How to join? Try making yourself useful on the dead forums.

• 139. Brendon Kozlowski 07.08.2009 at 5:37 pm

  I would imagine it’s people who have remained in constant contact with the developers, who also have some programming background (such as whomever it was that created the first “project manager” plugin) or something to offer back to the project itself (such as the first UTF-16 asiatic user who offered feedback on how to fix certain issues), or users that use and could test issues related RTL justified text. Simple issues such as “it’s missing a keyword for the PHP bundle” could be tested by anyone, so there’s little need to expand it beyond the small group. I’m sure none of us want feature-creep and would prefer a release, so keeping the group small to limit the flow of “new ideas” would be a good thing.

• 140. project707 08.08.2009 at 12:29 pm

  I was very fond of the close all, close all others, etc., when right clicking tabs. Why have those functions left?