Project management
posted by Martin Cohen in Development, Features 
August 18th, 2009
We wrote a lot about Editing and Bundles before. However, we didn’t mention the upgrade to the Project Management in much detail. There were many feature requests regarding managing files and projects.
We all know that file operations like renaming, deleting or creating files and folders is a must and there’s nothing to discuss about them, but there were plenty of requests to enhance how we work with projects as well, and that’s what I’d like to take a closer look at.
Let’s start with the mockup of the user interface:
Sidebar works as an accordion having one item opened at a time. It contains your active project (1), some favorite projects (3) and All Projects bar (4).
All Projects bar will show list of all projects you have opened. You can remove, rename or make favorite (using a star) any of them. A favorite project will show in the sidebar as a separate item (3) to be easily accessible. To remove a project from the sidebar you will just click on it’s star icon (3). (The drag and drop functionality will also be involved.)
Sidebar shows one special case. When you open a project that is not starred (2) and then close it, it will not stay in the sidebar. However, you can star it to keep it there.
To keep things simple only one project can be opened at one time, so that other project-specific features will remain functional. A typical example would be Quick Open which filters project, recent and opened files. There are also other project-specific features planned.
Almost all of the web frameworks have a deep folder structure with plenty of files per project. However, to develop an application you usually don’t care about all of them. For example, in Ruby on Rails, you are mostly interested in:
- app/controllers folder
- app/views folder
- app/models folder
- public/javascripts folder
- public/stylesheets folder
- database.yml file
So it would be handy to have only these visible in the project. The project management now involves something we call virtual folders (5) which is basically a container designed to group and organize files and folders in your project (6). The project itself is now a virtual folder as well, so you’re ready to drop your stuff instantly.
As we are mixing physical folders and files with virtual folders, there must be some rules to keep things useful and clear. You can add physical folders, files, or even another virtual folders into a virtual folder. However, you cannot add a virtual folder to a physical one, as a physical folder mirrors folder structure on the drive and is automatically updated when the structure changes.
Intype will keep your projects in it’s configuration files until you decide to save them elsewhere. Once you do it, Intype will just remember the new path for the project and continue to use it seamlessly.
The general idea behind each feature was to have things as complex as user wants them. You don’t have to use multiple projects, stars or even don’t have to save your projects to keep your organization. That’s what I like about it.
I’m looking forward for your ideas and questions, so we can tune the thing before it’s finalized and sent for testing.
I would like to send many thanks to Andre Medeiros and Benjamin Beirnaert (sorted alphabetically), who were deeply involved in the design.
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1. baael
18.08.2009 at 11:38 pm
that’s fantastic !
2. nvartolomei
19.08.2009 at 12:01 am
YAY! That’s amazing!
3. dflock
19.08.2009 at 12:03 am
Looks good!
I think slightly more visual differentiation between starred and non-starred would be good. Starred projects should probably have a subtle yellow star or something. The current outline tweak it too weak to easily tell them apart at a glance.
4. nvartolomei
19.08.2009 at 12:04 am
And what about hidding menu bar? For me it is useless, so what about posibility to hide it and to show when i press alt button?
This maded in notepad++ too
5. Luka Kladaric
19.08.2009 at 12:16 am
that really looks sleek.. I used intype for a while but have since moved on to other stuff and I’m now stuck with the ‘e’ editor, which has many drawbacks but still kinda comes out on top when you take a look at everything I need
I really hope intype reclaims its spot, once you get around to releasing it again.. and I really hope that day comes soon
6. icyleaf
19.08.2009 at 3:43 am
Amazing!
It is all in need for. i can’t wait for test or releasing.
May be released on both Windows and Linux platform. XD
7. Ali B.
19.08.2009 at 3:57 am
Looks great!
A side question: Will we be able to invoke the context menu for files and folders? I ask because it would be easier to right-click a folder and rename it or say quickly, svn update if you’re running something like Tortoise SVN.
8. Brendon Kozlowski
19.08.2009 at 6:17 am
How does the editor indicate visually when a file has been modified but not yet saved? Does it indicate this in the tab…the project window…both?
How does the project management pane handle projects names that are outside the width of the panel? Does it do the ellipse thing (i.e.: Project Managem…) or does it simply hide/wrap under the resize-column handle/bar (I’m unsure what it’s called)?
9. Crempa
19.08.2009 at 8:13 am
Hi, looks like Nette framework template in screenshot… do you plan some type of syntax highlighting for this smarty-like source ?
thanks
10. Sourcer
19.08.2009 at 8:37 am
Well done.
Finally this can compete with the e-text editor. Keep your headway…
11. ollu
19.08.2009 at 8:57 am
It looks really nice. About the virtual folder thing would it be possible to make this an option. So that I can choose wheter I want to use virtual folders or the actual folder structure?
Good luck!
12. Mick
19.08.2009 at 9:44 am
That looks great, Martin, keep up the good work. Looking forward to the next release
13. GMan
19.08.2009 at 10:33 am
Looks good, but it’s too mouse-oriented. Is there a way of using all that functionality from the keyboard only? At the very least, it should be possible to look for a specific file in the project without touching the mouse (I’m not talking about switching to an open tab).
14. Buzz
19.08.2009 at 12:07 pm
I like the virtual folders feature - will there be a standardized set of them (you mention a RoR application which sounds good), and will we be able to create new standardized ones to choose from when working on a site (i.e. we have our own PHP framework and we’d want to be able to create our own reusable ‘template’ of virtual folders).
Also, along the virtual folders ‘template’ line, could it be possible to import/export those templates, so for example someone who’d created a template for something like Wordpress or Symfony could export it and make it available to others to use in their copy of intype.
15. Brendon Kozlowski
19.08.2009 at 5:13 pm
@ollu: You already have the option to choose between virtual and physical folders, as per Martin’s description. Just thought I’d clarify. :)
16. Anonymous coward
19.08.2009 at 8:33 pm
Everybody want too much features. It’s not a IDE…
We love intype for its simplicity and speed of loading..
17. Deadelus
20.08.2009 at 9:18 am
Fantastic, I love the virtual folders idea! Can’t wait to test it :D
18. DarkSpartan
20.08.2009 at 9:19 am
Cant wait till the next release. Keep doing what your doing guys :)
19. Rockstyle
20.08.2009 at 12:16 pm
Why not release it now for testing project management, everybody could say something from his own experiences. What ’bout shadow community i’m not seein it
20. Brendon Kozlowski
20.08.2009 at 5:55 pm
@Martin: I just noticed the little “pointer” icons you used in your image are indicative of the Intype logo. Quite a nice little touch. It made me smile once I realized it. ;)
21. Anonymous admirer
21.08.2009 at 2:33 am
I… must… have…
22. Whew!
23.08.2009 at 6:15 pm
Its just too much of a wait… hate this, just like cairoshell.com…dead end.. much better to open source it…*sigh*
23. Martin Cohen
24.08.2009 at 10:39 am
Hey guys, I’m back from my vacation, I see the post is published. Let me answer all your questions. (please, let me know if I forget about something)
#3 dflock: Actually, only starred projects will be in the left sidebar. The mockup illustrates a special case where the non starred project is opened (for example a new project), and this is the only case where the mix of starred and one non-starred projects will be displayed in the sidebar. Therefore, I decided to keep it more subtle. Case not closed, though.
#4 nvartolomei: We have some upgrades planned for the top menu bar and it’s submenus to be more handy. We’ll see after that, whether the “hiding menu bar” will still be a good option. We are always trying to keep the amount of various options on lowest level as possible, and rather use configuration files for specialities.
#7 Ali B.: Yes, operations over files are part of the PM feature for 0.3.5 (as promised). Also, once the JavaScript is in the place, you will be able to extend those operations. We plan to add support for Tortoise SVN ourselves as a part of a tutorial for such extensions.
#8 Brendon Kolowski: In current release, we keep using a star before file name. Though, I will change it to “bold” to keep it consistent with bundle editor’s user interface. There is currently no indication of modified state in the project pane.
#9 Crempa: The mockup mixes Nette (source code) and Ruby on Rails (folder structure). We became big fans of Nette framework (hello David) and we want to express our support through a Nette bundle (including the syntax highlighting).
#13 GMan: Keyboard is of course heavily supported (I am a keyboard-only guy after all).
#14 Buzz: Well, what you are writing about is a feature we call “Project templates” or “Project scaffold” which actually blended with our JavaScript API. The feature will allow you to actually create a project tree of virtual and physical folders over existing file structure (i.e. created by the framework’s scaffolding tools) or over physical folders you create directly from the JavaScript API. The resulting JavaScript will be a command stored in a bundle (as we now have snippets, grammars and themes), so you can share it with the world.
24. Martin Cohen
24.08.2009 at 10:58 am
#16 Anonymous We don’t want to get even close to the IDE “category”. Therefore we went for as-simple-as-possible solution still fitting the requirements. The result can be used for any reasonable project structure I can think of, yet it still has the right Intype feel.
25. Ahmed El.Hussaini
24.08.2009 at 11:20 am
Looks great, can’t hardly wait for the release of the next version.
26. Ali B.
24.08.2009 at 2:51 pm
@Martin: Brilliant. And the idea of adding TortoiseSVN support as a tutorial is suburb.
27. Brendon Kozlowski
24.08.2009 at 6:32 pm
The thing that I am so very excited about is the use of JavaScript within the editor’s UI itself. I’d imagine that, although possibly somewhat slow (depending on what features are desired), adding IDE behavior is not completely out of the question. However, until the interactions/API for said internal JavaScript are finalized and documented, it’s all just a gleeful anticipation - like seeing a wrapped gift prior to being able to open it.
I like surprises. ;)
I hope your vacation went very well, Martin! I’d love a two week vacation, but I think I’ll need that for moving once I buy my house. Good luck completing stage 1 of testing.
28. Ingwar
24.08.2009 at 8:23 pm
@Brendon: There is no reason why would IDE made using JavaScript be slow. It’s been said on the forums that martin is pondering use of V8 JavaScript engine and before that he was considering Mozilla’s SpiderMonkey. Both leverage compilation of JavaScript to native byte-code, which makes computationally intensive tasks nearly as fast as those written in C++. Firefox, for example, has most of its logic written using JavaScript, and its speed and memory efficiency is comparable to those browsers, which are written entirely in a low level language (or, in some cases, much better).
What I’m curious about, however, is whether JavaScript is going to be the only option of extending Intype’s functionality. I foresee some use cases where JavaScript just won’t cut it and usage of DLLs will be the only way to achieve some tasks.
29. Anonymous coward
24.08.2009 at 9:56 pm
I would pay $10 right now to get it!
Can’t wait for the tutorial about adding the SVN feature (I need the Mercurial one, which I assume is similar ;) ).
30. Brendon Kozlowski
24.08.2009 at 10:57 pm
@Ingwar: So you’re saying that non-compiled JavaScript when using a JS computational engine should be just as fast as compiled engines, but then proceed to say that certain aspects would require a DLL (compiled modules). :)
I would agree that certain aspects of an IDE could be mimicked without much overhead at all (such as primary language type-hinting), but once it progresses in to a framework’s lair of dynamic type hinting throughout the entire folder structure, that is a lot of files to load in to memory and parse upon each and every character keypress (or even with a possible delay, it’s still quite a lot). I don’t even have to go far to prove what I mean, I could simply compare Visual Studio to Komodo Pro. Visual Studio’s internal dynamic type hinting (or Intellisense, whichever you’re used to) is progressively faster than Komodo.
Regardless, this isn’t intended to be an IDE, so I believe the choice to use a JavaScript engine to allow for scopes outside of its original intended purpose is a fascinating, bold, and *awesome* feature. But as extenders of such a project, we’d also have to realize our own limitations. That might even bring up the question of how Intype intends to support third party extension developers, if at all. However, we’re far from that point now, so conjecture is just that, conjecture. :)
31. Ingwar
25.08.2009 at 1:25 am
@Brendon: I’m not sure where did you get the idea that I want to use DLLs for performance reasons. The use cases I was talking about are, for example, custom windows and other UI elements (I assume Intype will only support some basic support for script generated GUI, if any) and employing external libraries for specific tasks (as opposed to rewriting them in JavaScript from scratch). For example I may want to integrate Intype with Python’s debugger.
As of dynamic type hinting and JavaScript, read how TraceMonkey works.
32. Martin Cohen
25.08.2009 at 10:31 am
Ingwar & Brendon: We are sure about having JavaScript as a primary way of extending Intype. Native extensions will be definitely allowed to actually extend JavaScript API for specialized tasks (typically for parsers), or additional functionality (typically operations over network protocols). Whether native extensions will be allowed to do something more than this is still in question.
There’s also a big question about how deep to go. We don’t want to end up with something as extensible (and resource greedy) as Firefox. TextMate was based on passive communication with shell and focusing only on text transformations, and it succeeded. Going too deep is dangerous, while being shallow is not worth the work.
33. Brendon Kozlowski
25.08.2009 at 5:32 pm
@Ingwar: I’ll take a gander at TraceMonkey. My apologies for assuming what you intended to use a DLL for.
@Martin: Thank you for clarifying intended support for native extensions.
34. Anonymous coward
26.08.2009 at 11:41 pm
I think I’ll be dead by the time Intype is released.
Just release it already.
35. Per Nissilä
27.08.2009 at 9:58 pm
Everything looks really nice!
When will i be able to pay for Intype? I would buy it in a heartbeat :D
Keep up the good work!
36. Monkey Bussiness
28.08.2009 at 11:33 pm
34. Anonymous coward: +1
37. Anonymous coward
29.08.2009 at 12:09 pm
I would give all of you head if you release it :P
38. Duke Nukem
29.08.2009 at 6:06 pm
I’ll keep intype here with me forever…
39. Junrey B.
31.08.2009 at 4:58 am
Microsoft should buy Intype.
40. Drazen
31.08.2009 at 4:58 pm
Hey that so great! The idea with the virtual folder is awesome. I am looking for an editor with a feature like that since i use CodeIgniter ( PHP Framework ).
Thanks guys, make it public!
41. Anonymous coward
01.09.2009 at 5:24 am
Noo… they will mangle it…
42. Cammm
01.09.2009 at 10:36 am
+1 for being able to use either the Windows context menu when right clicking files, or at least access to Tortoise SVN features.
Specifying file filters (in a config file is fine, no need for UI) will be very helpful as well. So we can ignore generated files ie .svn directory, PYCs etc
43. Anonymous coward
01.09.2009 at 7:23 pm
2 more years till we get 0.3.5
44. Junrey B.
02.09.2009 at 7:48 am
Check back on Mon, 18 Feb 2010 22:16:30 GMT.
45. Raspo
04.09.2009 at 2:46 pm
What about FTP support and some simple toolbar buttons with icons (like save, copy, paste etc)
Anyway I like this project but it’s too young now to be used for me
46. Rich Breton
04.09.2009 at 11:28 pm
Personally, Id say make your standard features usable and solid; create, delete rename files and make a solid release. Then throw in a new UI and fancy project features. Show your users some love and get us something that works while you work on the fun/cool stuff.
47. Rich Breton
05.09.2009 at 12:18 am
Not trying to sound out of line, what you guys have is awesome so far, I just *really* think you would be surprised how many people would happily chug along with a basic feature set. btw the new UI looks sweet, I like the old one too though :)
48. an other anonymous coward
07.09.2009 at 11:18 pm
The Alpha 0.3.1.734 work well. No bugs !
I prefer to wait and be sure to use reliable software.
Have a good development !
49. Anonymous coward
09.09.2009 at 2:47 am
Where are you guys?
“Testing 0.3.5 - posted by Martin Cohen in Development - August 11th, 2009″
http://intype.info/blog/testing-035/
Are you in the testing phase yet?
Any News?
50. cssbit
09.09.2009 at 7:46 pm
we are waiting .. it look very beautiful
51. Brendon Kozlowski
09.09.2009 at 8:40 pm
@Anonymous #49, yes they’re currently in the testing phase. As far as news, you’ll have to wait for the Intype team to give further info.
52. Anonymous coward
13.09.2009 at 1:01 pm
Marry Christmas!
53. Deadelus
14.09.2009 at 10:40 am
Let’s all post as Anonymous cowards! Geez just let them do their thing. As we can see in the latest unstable release it’s a very promising product.
Now stop whining and be patient, it won’t go any faster if you keep on posting useless comments in the latest update topic.
54. Famous coward
14.09.2009 at 11:46 am
I heard a joke once about a very promising guy. He was so promising, everyone was in awe in the kindergarten, in the elementary school, at the university, at work and so on. He continued to be very promising until he died of old age. And during his burial everyone has mourned him much, because he was so promising.
It is true that Intype has a lot of potential. But you cannot write code with just a potential, can you?
55. Deadly coward
15.09.2009 at 5:06 am
I can’t wait for it!! :D
56. baael
15.09.2009 at 9:50 am
plz, release what You got! only for Us, loyal fans and community, if not for all :)
57. Anonymous coward
15.09.2009 at 2:52 pm
The address for version 0.3.5 is where ?
58. NotAnonymous coward
19.09.2009 at 1:31 pm
Personally, i’m sick of you guys, what you are making is delayed shit. The delay you already made is unimaginable. Do this invitations for shadow community or show us the file on forum… Show some respect…
59. baael
19.09.2009 at 3:18 pm
sad. but I agree
60. deitl
19.09.2009 at 9:40 pm
read this: http://intype.info/forums/discussion/683/#Item_11
61. baael
21.09.2009 at 10:48 am
deitl, I don’t get what You want to tell me?
62. Chriha
21.09.2009 at 12:44 pm
Good news: version 0.3.5 will be released for the shiny community somewhere between now and the next total eclipse of the moon. That’ll be on December 21st 2010 I guess. Finally the ignorance and incompetence of the developer team has an end.
But seriously, make another blog post with a screenshot and everybody is happy again. But the ones from the beginning know, that you’re totally over your time. You can be so happy to have such a nice community with a considerable amount of patience and you’re so snooty … sh-sh-sh-shame on you!
63. Anonymous coward
21.09.2009 at 7:48 pm
Have to agree with Chriha. The “Getting close” post was made in may, and still nothing is there.
64. Brendon Kozlowski
21.09.2009 at 10:04 pm
I am one of the people from “the beginning”, if you consider that to be pre-release of *any* alpha clients. They have aspirations, just like anyone else. They did previously give dates that they never met, and from then on, refused to give dates as they realized they would inevitably miss them.
The only thing they don’t do well at is communication to openly show what they’re thinking, planning, and currently working on. They don’t even like the term “shadow community” and Martin probably wished he never called it that. It’s primarily close friends/programmers the team had enlisted to help with real-time testing of the product.
The fact of the matter is, it is a real product, and the current iteration of the software does have real bugs and stability issues - moreso than the downloadable “Intype Alpha 0.3.1.734 Unstable” version. You’re asking, pleading, and downright commanding them to release it, and yet I’m quite certain those of you wanting it to be released would be unhappy with the quality of the current build as it currently stands if it kept crashing on you, and you lost your work.
For those of you wondering where you can get the “Intype Alpha 0.3.1.734 Unstable” version, check the following RSS feed (assuming this post isn’t blocked for spam because of the URL):
http://intype.inf/public/releases/unstable.rss
65. Ingwar
21.09.2009 at 10:24 pm
Are we here because we’re patient? Or because no one has come with better alternative yet?
66. baael
22.09.2009 at 12:44 am
it is a little cruel: “Look I got candy, it is sooo good.”
67. Chriha
22.09.2009 at 2:11 am
@Brendon:
Yeah, I meant the public alphas :) For the first two passages I totally agree you and I don’t want a half ready “thing” on my system, too. The most of us are also working on hobby projects in their spare time and everyone get’s his things done. Why not the Intype team? :( The activity of them says everything …
@Ingwar:
Buying a Mac is the best alternative, I think :D
I can stop watching over the site and following Intype on Twitter and I don’t have to be bored about this project. But is this the way how developments should be handled? It’s quite sad to discuss about the process or the reliability of the team instead of new ideas and an amusing future.
As I said a few times, the screenshots are looking awesome, but working on pictures is quite difficult … yet. I’m sure, that the most of us would assist the team in any way, but in some case has the ego (… I don’t know) a higher level.
We’re all just wasting our time.
68. Junrey B.
22.09.2009 at 8:34 am
I believe that Redcar (redcareditor.com) will come along sometime for windows users. I’ve been using it in Linux and I’m really impressed.
69. Anonymous coward
23.09.2009 at 2:52 pm
I’d suggest E, but a lot of you guys on here don’t seem to like it for whatever reason.
So, what about Sublime?
At least you get regular updates with these two!
70. Ingwar
23.09.2009 at 8:58 pm
E is a bunch of stuff stitched together to act roughly like TextMate. It’s not very efficient and it certainly isn’t pretty (which is important, because if it wasn’t we would all be using Emacs or Gvim now, because hey, they’re powerful and all). It is also built on top of SciTE editing component with all its limitations and drawbacks.
Sublime is great execution of a bad idea. It is fast and can handle editing nicely. But the UI is odd (and not very pretty as well). I still have no idea what its author tried to achieve with it, but I think it is safe to assume that he failed.
And then we have Intype which is small, fast, efficient and it’s out of coder’s way. Which doesn’t sound like much but none of the competition is capable of doing that.
This is my subjective point of view, however. Your mileage may (and should) vary.
71. Anonymous lazy coward
24.09.2009 at 8:20 am
» A 50%-good solution that people actually have solves more problems and survives longer than a 99% solution that nobody has because it’s in your lab where you’re endlessly polishing the damn thing. Shipping is a feature. A really important feature. Your product must have it. «
from http://www.joelonsoftware.com/items/2009/09/23.html
72. Anonymous lazy coward
24.09.2009 at 11:57 am
Ingwar: Afaik (and checked) e is not build on SciTE, where did you get this information?
73. Anonymous Coward
24.09.2009 at 1:57 pm
>>> Sublime is great execution of a bad idea
Elaborate?
74. Ingwar
24.09.2009 at 4:51 pm
in reply to #72:
This is a guess, since I haven’t read the source. E, as far as I know, uses wxWidgets under the hood, which in turn employs SciTE as its default code editing component. I may be mistaken. The screenshots, however, have that specific SciTE feel about them.
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in reply to #73:
I already did. Sublime is strong, but the UI stands in the coder’s way. It’s a curious mix of native and custom drawn controls. The layout is strange and the user experience is very far from what Windows user may expect. If application is bold enough to break away from system interface guidelines, it would better have a very good reason for doing so and actually improve the experience. Sublime does none of the above.
75. Anonymous lazy coward
24.09.2009 at 7:06 pm
Ingwar: Wild guess, but you’re wrong. e doesn’t use SciTE. (just do make that clear…). there is enough e-bashing around here without false claims ;).
» Why are we hiding from the police, daddy?” “Because we use vi son, they use emacs «
76. baael
24.09.2009 at 10:03 pm
I really don’t care if current build of Intype is stable or not. I can take risk to lost all my work. All I want is to see and feel that progress. Dont You guys agree that 3 years without progress is too much? Close it or release it.
77. Anonymous Coward
25.09.2009 at 3:30 am
>>> Sublime is strong, but the UI stands in the coder’s way
How much time did you spend with Sublime? I find that to be an odd claim. Can you give a specific example?
The configuration paradigm leaves a little to be desired but once you have it set up it’s anything but standing in your way.
78. Ingwar
25.09.2009 at 10:40 am
> How much time did you spend with Sublime?
What kind of question is that? Are my thoughts about a product validated by how proficient I got with software I don’t feel comfortable with? Seriously?
> Can you give a specific example?
I think I have been specific enough the last time. You are free to disagree with me.
79. Anonymous lazy coward
25.09.2009 at 10:50 am
baael: even with a release there probably won’t be much visible progress.
afaik all the internals got reworked, but the outcome will be pretty much the same as the current build. (the project pane you see in the screenshot is a mockup, i guess they called it mockup and not screenshot for a reason…. if i’m wrong, please correct me…).
80. aFaD
25.09.2009 at 7:41 pm
There’s room for everyone :)
Intype is a true gem, small, fast and efficient, thats why nobody goes elsewhere, thats all^^
81. Another Anonymous coward
25.09.2009 at 10:50 pm
@ingwar: it was a valid question - it takes time to get used to another piece of software. for example, you wouldn’t expect to move from using Paint for the later 5 years to using Photoshop without spending some time getting to know your way round.
another example is the ribbon in office 2007 - everyone hated it when it first came out; now people rave about it! it takes time to learn how to get the best from a piece of software. period.
82. Anonymous Coward
26.09.2009 at 4:55 am
>>> I think I have been specific enough the last time.
Disagreed.
>>> You are free to disagree with me.
Agreed!
So basically it just didn’t `feel` right to you and you have nothing specific on tangibles to say. Feel is an important and personal thing so I get that.
For me, I don’t find the layout strange at all and I like the dark theme which blends in with my favorite dark TM theme. The L&F vibes with me.
83. Ingwar
26.09.2009 at 11:23 am
in reply to #81:
I find the question to be a trollish one, because the person asking didn’t bother to take into consideration that my conclusions after evaluating Sublime may be different from his. I’ve spent quite some time with it, actually, since I like the code map feature and also because it is written in Python, my language of choice (which means I look for great applications written in it for advocacy purposes). But that is really beside the point. It doesn’t change the way I perceive Sublime. Sorry for hurting its advocate’s feelings.
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As for the ribbon, it is a great example of UI feature that is supposed to improve user’s experience. And I’ve been a fan since its inception. Sublime, on the other hand, introduces custom UI which doesn’t look that great with native controls thrown in the mix. And it does so for no apparent usability related reason, while its aesthetic value is questionable. For me that was something I couldn’t get over with even despite all the initial sympathy I had for the project. Again, sorry for hurting fans’ feelings.
84. Anonymous Coward
26.09.2009 at 2:04 pm
>>> Again, sorry for hurting fans’ feelings.
Apology accepted.
85. Ingwar
26.09.2009 at 2:25 pm
>>> Apology accepted.
Who’s apologizing?
86. 81Another Anonymous coward
28.09.2009 at 2:53 pm
@Ingwar: >>> Again, sorry for hurting fans’ feelings.
Reads like an apology to me too. :-)
At least Sublime is under active development!
87. Ingwar
28.09.2009 at 5:26 pm
#86:
Uh… Well.. In that case I am sorry that some common meanings of the word sorry are not being readily understood. I don’t need to apologize for not being a fan of some other editor. That would be ridiculous, wouldn’t it?
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> At least Sublime is under active development!
Intype is too. Really, I’ve seen it. The thing is that it’s not under active release policy.
88. another Anonymous coward
29.09.2009 at 9:26 pm
@ingwar: it may as well not be if it isn’t being released
89. Ingwar
30.09.2009 at 9:53 am
Yes, that is very true.
90. Anonymous coward
30.09.2009 at 10:14 am
BUMP!
91. Anonymous coward
30.09.2009 at 2:17 pm
Intype will be released on December 21, 2012… Nostradamos said so… WAHAHAHAHA!!
92. awake
30.09.2009 at 3:08 pm
It’s almost year end guys! whats up.
93. Anonymous coward
30.09.2009 at 9:03 pm
It’s quite simple - Windows programming is hard & it sucks. Down with Micro$oft, long live Linux and Apple!
94. Anonymous coward
30.09.2009 at 10:51 pm
And you say that from your own experience, right?
95. Anonymous coward
01.10.2009 at 6:10 am
Love it, how can we get that unstable version? is it possible?
96. Known Coward
01.10.2009 at 8:20 am
It looks like that the project management feature is working based on the screenshot or is it a Photoshop thing? What’s holding up?
97. Drawoc
02.10.2009 at 3:51 am
Well, it says “mockup” in the post.
98. Anonymous coward
03.10.2009 at 8:46 am
it’s dead ?
99. Drawoc
03.10.2009 at 1:33 pm
According to blizzy, it’s not dead yet. (Source: http://intype.info/blog/getting-close/#comment-16330)
100. Anonymous coward
06.10.2009 at 2:20 pm
Nah, it’s dead. No signs of life either in the blog or on Twitter
Give up on this (vapourware) and go get Sublime
101. Drawoc soumynona
06.10.2009 at 5:19 pm
Don’t want to.
102. Anonymous coward
06.10.2009 at 7:56 pm
@101: You might as well. Nothing happenin’ here
103. Drawoc soumynona
06.10.2009 at 8:33 pm
@102: What’s up with that obnoxious Sublime marketing? Is the author himself posting here?
104. Anonymous Coward
07.10.2009 at 8:32 am
@103
Having used Sublime for a while and having been able to gauge the character of the author over time, I very much doubt it’s him.
I’d guess it’s just some over-exuberant Sublime user sharing their enthusiasm. It seems to have had the opposite effect intended though. What’s that saying about “flys and honey”?
It’s quite unfair to call InType vaporware.
105. mh
07.10.2009 at 10:58 am
Those who don’t want to wait should leave and use other editors, the others should stay. But don’t try to win each other for one software, this sucks. Amen.
106. Pedro Coelho
07.10.2009 at 1:49 pm
actually I only change the database.yml file 1-2 times through all of a rails project.
i don’t see why it should be always accessible in the project bar, as it isn’t a particularly access intensive area of a rails project.
107. Anonymous coward
07.10.2009 at 2:52 pm
@106:
You will be able to choose what files are displayed in project pane. Nothing will be stopping you from filtering database.yml file out.
108. Anonymous coward
07.10.2009 at 8:13 pm
@103 I have a thing for text editors and have tried them all.
I thought intype looked quite interesting, but nothing has been forthcoming for several months and probably won’t be for several more. it even says in the post above that the project manager is a ‘mock up’ suggesting it’s not been written yet. as a result I think i’m justified in calling it vapourware.
FYI I currently use E or UltraEdit deoending on the task in hand but am starting to like Sublime more and more the more I use it
109. Well known hero
08.10.2009 at 11:56 am
@108 So you like an editor and thus crash onto another editor’s blog and start doing what can essentially be called trolling. (This software sucks! It’s a vaporvare! Go get Sublime!) Way to go.
110. Anonymous coward108
08.10.2009 at 2:32 pm
@109 if you actually bother to read what I wrote, I put that I “thought intype looked quite interesting”. I never said that I thought “This software sucks” - those are your words (and thoughts?) not mine.
Intype looks pretty good but at present is lacking in functionality for everyday use for me.
I’ve been checking this site daily (sometimes twice a day) for updates and news for months and months and….nothing. Even if it does eventually get released will I still get the same problems if I need support. Go figure
111. Well known hero
08.10.2009 at 3:56 pm
@110
> those are your words (and thoughts?)
See? This is that trollish attitude I was talking about.
112. Anonymous coward108
08.10.2009 at 4:53 pm
@111 Maybe if you’d read my comments correctly in the first place…….
113. Anonymous coward
15.10.2009 at 12:06 am
Heeeey, anybody there?
114. Anonymous coward
15.10.2009 at 7:50 pm
Hello,
I love Intype :).
When the new version is completed.?
I want to buy.?
115. Anonymous coward
16.10.2009 at 5:32 am
Expect the expected…
116. Anonymous coward
16.10.2009 at 9:26 am
Apparently not :-)
117. Anonymous coward
18.10.2009 at 2:40 pm
Nope, nothin’ happenin’ here. Time to mosey along folks!
118. Anonymous coward
18.10.2009 at 9:24 pm
When a new version out?Do you have the exact date?
Good Works.
119. Anonymous coward
19.10.2009 at 5:18 am
The date is Dec 12, 2012!
120. Anonymous coward
19.10.2009 at 4:43 pm
12.12.2012 - oh wow that’s quick
121. Anonymous coward
19.10.2009 at 7:44 pm
I would like to receive Christmas gifts intype :D
122. Anonymous coward
20.10.2009 at 1:48 am
its December 21, 2012…
123. Anonymous coward
20.10.2009 at 10:57 pm
please, stop this vaporware.
124. Brendon Kozlowski
21.10.2009 at 11:30 pm
You’re actually telling a team who are actively developing a product (albeit slower than most of you want) to stop developing a “vaporware” product.
That’s just brilliant. Ingenious, in fact.
125. Anonymous coward69
22.10.2009 at 9:42 am
@Brendon: you can’t use the words ‘actively’ and ‘developing’ together when describing progress on Intype.
Operating systems get produced quicker than this text editor! :-)
126. Not a coward
22.10.2009 at 11:18 am
Technically calling Intype a vaporware is correct, as it has exceeded the expected development time by huge margin. However this doesn’t mean Intype’s development is inactive. Quite contrary, but it takes a lot more time than anyone, including the devs, has initially anticipated.
127. Anonymous coward
23.10.2009 at 9:25 am
I want a new intype :)
128. Anonymous cow
26.10.2009 at 8:20 pm
is no news good news then…?
129. Anonymous coward
27.10.2009 at 10:55 am
have checked the new version. absolute incredible! you can edit text with the new version.
130. Anonymous coward
27.10.2009 at 2:55 pm
Damn, I’m done looking at this image. It’s over i’m switching to Sublime. You ain’t no Jesus, you won’t come back from dead. You can disrespect all users, but i won’t allow you to disrespect me. Bye
131. Well known hero
27.10.2009 at 6:08 pm
I was kinda wondering when will the Sublime guy pop up.
132. Mick Kaye
27.10.2009 at 9:30 pm
@130: Same here. I’m an E user and I can’t wait any longer fr this so I’m off to Sublime too. See ya guys.
133. Moooo
27.10.2009 at 10:36 pm
I was kinda wondering when will the Vim/Emacs guy pop up.
134. Anonymous coward
28.10.2009 at 3:58 am
I am done with this endless wait. Switching to Notepad.
135. VIMaster
28.10.2009 at 9:03 am
Hey guys I’m switching to vim. Tired of waiting. See you there!
136. Code monkey
28.10.2009 at 1:48 pm
I am so fed up with this! I’m switching back to Word. Good riddance!
137. baael
28.10.2009 at 9:13 pm
I’ve just checked google for intype. Lot of people are interested in it. I guess, if you guys (Intype Team) do it little quicker, intype will become no.1 programmers choice. All other editors dont live up with developers anticipations. “© 2006 Intype Team” - 4 years of no change.
138. Brendon Kozlowski
29.10.2009 at 1:01 am
I have to admit, I am a little curious as to the long wait between any updates as well - not even a twitter update. I hope there are no hospital visits or HDD failure for the team members like there was last time (although it’s on Google Code, so a HDD failure shouldn’t be a massive issue).
139. lawlzers
29.10.2009 at 7:54 am
At this point, even releasing it won’t stave off the feeling that the devs are pretty much undependable for timely bug/exploit fixes, and general support. Maybe you will have to wait 6 months after paying for the license before you finally get the key.
140. Mr. .NET
29.10.2009 at 5:06 pm
have the new version .net support?
141. Brendon Kozlowski
29.10.2009 at 5:09 pm
Even if it takes another year or more for the next testable public version to be released, I’ll still be waiting.
Time and time again, the current version of Intype that I have available to me is still the only text editor that has not mangled my UTF-8 character strings. Even Eclipse 3.5 (Aptana) messed it up somehow. If they can get UTF-8 encoding done correctly simply by making sure it was done right the first time, I’m pretty confident that the rest of the software will be solid once it’s in a “final” state.
Waiting sucks, but currently we’re not truly losing anything of value other than small amounts of time checking an RSS feed or visiting a website for updates. The only ones losing are the developers: they’re losing trust of potential customers, and it wouldn’t really take much to keep that trust alive either - I’m confused as to why they don’t take that small amount of time to do so. Like I said, I hope everyone’s OK on the team.
142. Anonymous coward
29.10.2009 at 5:35 pm
At least these comments are getting approved
143. Nikos Tzanos
29.10.2009 at 8:08 pm
I know that there are no blog posts or Twitter updates so I checked the Google Code issue tracker and say that the project is pretty active. There was a bug reported from Martin himself on 13th of October. Still an update on the progress would not be that bad.
Just to let people know…
Cheers
144. Anonymous coward
29.10.2009 at 11:10 pm
Really!? … i really had hope for Intype to be the windows textmate alternative. Almost 2 years passed while i was waiting for the release and using e-texteditor… i got a mac so no more ploblems. But waiting and losing time over the years is so anoying. Instead of visiting this site everyday hoping for the best just use the time to work an earn money and get a mac or hackintosh
145. Brendon Kozlowski
31.10.2009 at 3:03 am
I already own a Mac. I hate it. Thanks though.
146. Anonymous coward
31.10.2009 at 12:45 pm
it comes christmas, right?
147. Well known hero
01.11.2009 at 2:34 pm
See @122 for the release date
148. Anonymous coward
01.11.2009 at 5:37 pm
does new release version support “search in directory”?
149. Anonymous coward
03.11.2009 at 9:39 am
This new tweet: “Jasmine parser is now describing errors in a more detailed and nicer human way. Pretty important to give Bundle Editor the “Intype UI feel” has got to be one of the funnier tweets produced by the InType team.
It tells us absolutely nothing at all about the progress of the testing. From the looks of it, you might as well as not even post things like “Getting Close”, and “in P2 of testing” or whatever, because obviously you are light years away from releasing it.
150. Anonymous spanish
03.11.2009 at 6:48 pm
Por el amor de dios, estamos cansados de esperar!
151. Anonymous Beta Tester
05.11.2009 at 3:44 pm
Jasmine describe errors now. yeah! i believe all that peoble here have wait for this killer feature and now release! please! jasmine
152. Brendon Kozlowski
06.11.2009 at 11:08 pm
That actually is a pretty big deal for anyone interested in extending Intype. The Twitter feed is more of a developer update, it’s not meant to promise features or anything else, it’s simply a means of logging work that’s being done, or has been done, or will be done in the near future.
Alternatively, you can check the Google Code status for changes/commits as hinted at by another Anonymous user:
http://code.google.com/p/intype/issues/list
153. Well known hero
07.11.2009 at 6:51 pm
Doesn’t look as if anything’s been changed since August to me
http://code.google.com/p/intype/w/list
154. Brendon Kozlowski
09.11.2009 at 7:16 pm
I only opened one, it’s 10 days old.. Google Code doesn’t really give an easy UI view of most recent comments added to an issue ticket.
http://code.google.com/p/intype/issues/detail?id=5
Many non-content comments are “Accepted Task” by a developer.
155. Anonymous
10.11.2009 at 8:31 am
http://code.google.com/p/intype/issues/list?can=2&q=&colspec=Reporter&sort=reporter
Shadow community?
156. baael
11.11.2009 at 1:30 am
not so bad:
http://code.google.com/u/martin.balazik/updates
157. Anonymous
12.11.2009 at 4:22 pm
There will only be those usless tweets every few weeks or are you working on it? It’s not nice to post fake news, and then after few years there is still nothing to see. It looks like you are developing a space shuttle software and not that you have to complete an editor.
158. Anonymous
13.11.2009 at 2:09 pm
@baael, will we see the “tiny music player” bundled in Intype now.
159. Anonymous coward
13.11.2009 at 2:31 pm
When will the new version?Date?
Hurry.You be happy with us
We have a long wait.!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
I pay for intype:)
160. baael
13.11.2009 at 8:06 pm
I really like In… line of software, very minimalistic and usefull :)
161. Anonymous coward
14.11.2009 at 3:40 pm
I won’t pay for intype. Sublime Text Editor is much better ;)
162. lefthanded programmer
15.11.2009 at 10:59 am
it’s looks very disappointing. accordion panel for projects is on epic fail. this a old school crap.
PS: is there a test version avail….? haha! little joke! sorry
163. jcl
16.11.2009 at 2:41 am
There will be a good news for all of us in a few fays - stay tuned, visit this site often of you’ll miss a chance of testing beta versio!
164. Anonymous coward
17.11.2009 at 2:56 am
@up LOL
165. not jcl
17.11.2009 at 4:45 am
Always remember, when jcl talks about few days, he doesn’t mean it. :D
166. Anonymous coward
17.11.2009 at 10:40 am
oh yes beta version!
167. Anonymous coward
18.11.2009 at 1:43 pm
gazing into my crystal ball…. and i see…. a beta version for you.
168. jcl
19.11.2009 at 2:08 am
Sorry, I meant to say in a few years :D
It’s sad to see such a good project to become a vaporware :/
169. Moooo
19.11.2009 at 5:51 pm
Intype 0.3.5, Getting close™. Since 2007.
http://intype.info/forums/discussion/188/?Focus=4819#Comment_4819
170. Anonymous coward
19.11.2009 at 5:58 pm
Yuh ya çıkar artık a.q yeni sürümü çok parası ne kadarsa vercez dedik a.q
171. Anonymous coward
19.11.2009 at 9:54 pm
Çıkarın artık yeni sürümü yukardaki arkadaş basmış küfürü ben nazik konuşuyorum.
172. jcl
20.11.2009 at 8:07 pm
Jasmine parser is the best. What abou Michael syntax higlighter? And Angelina directory tree? :D
173. Not a coward
20.11.2009 at 10:22 pm
Actually the editor component is code-named Sonya.
174. Anonymous coward
21.11.2009 at 5:43 am
@169:
Hey, you stole my slogan! :-)
http://intype.info/blog/getting-close/#comment-16474
175. archetwist
21.11.2009 at 6:23 am
Got a new logo for you!
http://files.myopera.com/archetwist/files/intype-getting-close-logo.png
176. Moooo
22.11.2009 at 11:40 pm
@174:
Moooooo, sorry!
177. Brendon Kozlowski
23.11.2009 at 5:55 pm
There were some updates pushed to Google Code that deal with bundles just two hours ago:
http://code.google.com/u/martin.balazik/updates
178. jcl
23.11.2009 at 6:14 pm
archetwist fantastic logo! It represents this product @ vaporware.
179. Pipo Lambert
25.11.2009 at 3:26 am
LOL archetwist!!!!!
180. Ivan Soto
01.12.2009 at 12:35 am
I’m sorry to say this… But since the time you mentioned the next version for the first time, its already been more than 2 years.
I’m really existed to see a good and friendly editor in Windows, but I think it’s pretty pathetic to visit this site every month just to see some little hype around a single screenshot.
I know developing something like this takes a lot of effort and time, but let’s be honest, you are not making the next killer IDE, or an OS, or even the next World of Warcraft.
Get yourselves some extra help and release this application for once. And also start building some trust in users because even if the application is the best, I would not buy for my company because the update interval is a joke.
181. Anonymous coward
03.12.2009 at 3:37 pm
Don’t love intype if new not released.
182. Anonymous coward
03.12.2009 at 8:12 pm
May be Diablo3 would be released before intype 0.3.5…
I’ve already saved enough money to get my mac and textmate since the the first “getting close”! Thanks and Goodbye!
183. jcl
03.12.2009 at 10:32 pm
I founded Cyblogic’s Pacu very similar to Intype - the problem is that there is no version for Windows. http://www.cyblogic.com/
184. Anonymous coward
04.12.2009 at 9:30 am
Haha, hard to believe that this post was made in August. Now it’s December, in a couple of weeks, it’ll be four months since this posting.