Intype – In type we trust

homepage | blog | download | forums | faq | blog posts RSS

Comments are locked

We are sorry, but comments for this post are locked. This post is outdated.

---

• 1. Brendon Kozlowski 28.08.2007 at 5:29 pm

  How’s Juraj feeling and recovering? …recovering well, I hope. Thanks for the update!

• 2. Martin Cohen 28.08.2007 at 9:52 pm

  Brendon: Juraj is getting better, everything seems to be okay. Thanks for asking.

• 3. Blomqvist 29.08.2007 at 1:31 pm

  This is exactly the way it should be. Give us appetizers! :)

  And I hope Juraj will recover good and fast!

• 4. Nikolay Kolev 29.08.2007 at 5:27 pm

  This is just great! Thank you, Martin!

• 5. Anonymous coward 30.08.2007 at 10:22 am

  AMAZING thank you!

• 6. husain 03.09.2007 at 8:21 am

  It’s great!
  There’re many fixes updated. Thanks for them.

  And now there is a pop up when we right click tab.
  I hope I could get another options in the pop-up, like:
  - close the tab
  - close all but the tab (sometimes we open so many files and want to clean them up but the current working tab)
  and
  - separation between option groups.

  And if it possible … this is a *feature request*
  About the tab, is it possible to add a clone tab?
  I mean we open (and edit) the same file but in another tab. So we could see top of the file while we edit the bottom part.

• 7. Joao Moreno 10.09.2007 at 12:14 am

  You guys are doing an amazing work. Keep it up.

• 8. Ram 11.09.2007 at 4:05 pm

  go on guys, you rock

• 9. husain 12.09.2007 at 8:43 am

  It seems link to download in front page doesn’t refer to the latest version.
  cmiiw.

• 10. Ivan Čentéš 12.09.2007 at 11:05 pm

  husain: The link on the homepage refers to the latest stable release, which is 0.3.1.547. Unstable releases are available from the mentioned forum category.

• 11. booky 08.10.2007 at 2:31 am

  For an unstable release that has no special requirements, the builds are released very very seldom. This explains maybe why “stable” releases took more than half a year.

• 12. Nikolay Kolev 08.10.2007 at 9:12 am

  You got back to the extremely slow release cycle. So much for the weekly releases!

• 13. Suggerster 08.10.2007 at 2:25 pm

  Maybe the authors should read this article about deadlines:
  http://particletree.com/notebook/the-importance-of-deadlines/

• 14. Noupdater 12.10.2007 at 6:34 pm

  Wow - last update on the Todo list is: 24th September 2007.
  So much about keeping the community informed about the progress.
  Worst could be only that the date reflect the reality - i.e. the team did no work on InType since then :(.

• 15. Nikolay Kolev 13.10.2007 at 5:16 am

  InType development is truly sporadic - when they see tons of emails from the community calling them “lazy”, then Martin puts a week of effort and delivers an “unstable” release.

  Regarding the Project Manager - it’s nice (for some projects), but I was personally assured that it won’t create a project file and allow you to browse from a starting directory (just like the free plugging). I was totally disappointed when I saw that I works just like Komodo Edit (which will be free forever, not like InType - only during the unstable period… which from this point seems like forever, too). I don’t want my Ruby on Rails project polluted with all kinds of redundant “project” files. All we needed is a file explorer and got a useless “Project Manager”. I hate it, truly!

• 16. Thomas Bell 18.10.2007 at 5:31 pm

  @Nikolay: The PM features are certainly not final. As Martin states in the post below the PM in unstable.598 is at L1. There are more features to come.
  
  Planned Features
  You will be interested in:
  * Project files can be switched off (Temporary Project)
  * Project files can optionally contain a path to different location, and the file will be stored in user/project folder (Remote Project).

  Also as a side note there are some cases when a project file can be extremely helpful.

• 17. Nikolay Kolev 20.10.2007 at 1:15 am

  I hope that Martin & Co really want to be TextMate for Windows & Linux, which is Ruby on Rails #1 IDE at the moment. This means that they should put themself into the shoes of a Ruby on Rails developer. For example, files can dynamically created outside of the IDE (by using some of the RoR command-line tools) and the (project) tree will have to be rescanned. It would really be helpful to see a console window within Intype, but given the development speed… this may appear when NetBeans, Eclipse (with Aptana) and IntelliJ IDEA are already market leaders for RoR development and dynamic languages in general.

• 18. Anonymous coward 22.10.2007 at 8:30 pm

  Komodo Edit project handling sucks. I will def. not use intype if they go the same route. E uses a simple explorer for project handling. Not only is this fast, easy, and clean, but I can use TortoiseSVN and other right-click directly in the pane. I’d love it if intype did the same and went with a simple explorer.

• 19. Ryan 23.10.2007 at 12:32 am

  Agreed…. E’s was very nice.

• 20. boing 24.10.2007 at 12:46 pm

  Always these plans :).
  I don’t believe them anymore :) - they’re just dreams.

  It’s almost a year since InType started and it’s still nowhere.

  I believe, people still hang around so much because there’s so much wish-thingking: everybody would like a fast and un-bloated editor like TextMate on windows - but there’s a big difference between wishthinking and reality.

• 21. Nikolay Kolev 24.10.2007 at 10:33 pm

  How many times did we *beg* Martin to submit weekly builds, so, we can see that something’s really being done and not just talked about? It seems that years need to pass until we get some basic functionality. I can’t believe this PM was done PRIOR to a simple file system browser… And what’s with those ridiculous extensions - .itProject. Give me a break! It becomes even uglier when you mix upper & lower case letters!

• 22. Yang 25.10.2007 at 12:42 pm

  Maybe it’s all about no-saying and recognizing the failure, i.e. the inType team can’t do these two things (they’re hard for most people).
  - they started a project but can’t deliver it since a year: they can’t reconize in front of the users they’re not able to do it (maybe they can’t recognize to themselfs either - most people won’t - it takes a lot of realism)
  - they constantly see the requests from the users and know there’s really a required product - but they’ can’t say no (we can’t).

  Well, I’m just guessing, but that’s the impression an occational user is getting.

• 23. Martin Cohen 05.11.2007 at 9:20 pm

  Well guys, really interesting how the discussion is going here. However, it’s not that simple. We finally moved the team to the Prague, are centered almost at one place and hoping that no more disastrous changes are waiting for us in the close future. The team came through many troubles in personal life, that causes all the bad communication around here. We feel the same.

  As for the comments on “updating the project tree”, or “ridiculous mixed-case extension”(?!), or “project file”. Slight look at the release notes, or to the PM topic at forums will suddenly clear things out for you. So I’m going to ask you to slightly take a look, or just contact us, before you start writing angry commentsgoing to say on this, is that Intype is still in alpha, and you are looking at the unstable release.

  However, aware of the fact, that there’s always be someone complaining, I’m taking your comments as if they were constructive ones and the features in PM are implemented with higher priority for next unstable release.

  It’s quiet around here, but the work on Intype hasn’t stopped, even if we have a small fraction of time to work. Maybe it’s better to spend time on the development itself than arguing and still repeating the same all around. So we have many new features since last release, plenty of bugs fixed, and plenty of new stuff (and bugs;) ready for implementation.

• 24. Nikolay Kolev 06.11.2007 at 4:21 pm

  “Mixed case extension” means “.itProject”, i.e. it contains both lower- and upper-case chars, which is non-standard. If you like more descriptive extensions, why not “project.intype”, i.e. “abc.project.intype”. As a more standard extension, why not just use “itp”? It’s not being used by any popular software:

  http://filext.com/file-extension/itp

• 25. Brendon Kozlowski 07.11.2007 at 9:54 pm

  Martin (and company):

  Is there anything that the community and/or testers could work on for the Intype Team during the interim of non-releases? Perhaps website, image, Help Documents, or even some possible UI designs? …that is to say, mockups for all of these, as the Intype Team would have the final say and decision making process. I just hate to see continuous negative criticism when no one is contributing publically, including the hopeful and faithful, yet critical followers.

• 26. Nikolay Kolev 09.11.2007 at 12:24 am

  That’s why I and others offered to prepay licenses, so, that the Intype team can have more incentives to work on the project full-time and on full speed, but Martin said “no”.

• 27. Brendon Kozlowski 12.11.2007 at 8:14 pm

  Being a developer, I can understand their unwillingness to take money if they do not know what the future holds. Their timeline can be shattered quite easily, and keeping track of prepay orders is only another burden to tackle that they are not quite ready for…not to mention the extra pressure. Once they take money, they’re under obligation to work extra hours to a completion, whereas at this point, it’s a business venture and one decision in their venture was to allow free testing of alpha/beta builds - not something they were required to do. I’d much rather help on a project-assistance basis, not monetary.

• 28. Martin Cohen 13.11.2007 at 10:22 am

  Brendon: Thank you for your support, Brendon. There’s also another thing other than the venture. It’s the motivation. We are happy to add new features, playing around with it, thinking about new features, planning and developing through the night. Even solving unexpected organization and planning troubles we had recently is a joy (I had never felt that well when I was in the pressure in commercial project). We are being paid for work we done for our employers, and we are paid quite well. Our motivation is to do what we like to do, and the way we want it to. Money tend to rip out that free feeling (at least for us), and that would destroy the motivation.

  We also don’t want to be paid for something we are not satisfied with. Those unfinished unpolished half-finished products are everywhere (I know, I had made them myself at my previous jobs; Where is the point?). That’s also why the competition is not really bothering us. We just feel that we are on the right path, to do what we wanted from the very beginning: an editor that helps and feels friendly at each aspect — even if the friendliness takes 90% of spare time on design to be achieved.

  I myself really enjoy the community work. To communicate, to see that people are looking forward to the new versions, and are really pleased when we deliver it. We are in alpha, but Intype is stable, fast and balanced. People even use it at their daily work. This is the core of the project. This is far more important than money; than having half-features bringing always the same confusing and boring, features being designed-done-n-released in two days.

• 29. Brendon Kozlowski 13.11.2007 at 5:50 pm

  Martin:
  “Our motivation is to do what we like to do, and the way we want it to. Money tend to rip out that free feeling (at least for us), and that would destroy the motivation.”

  I whole-heartedly and completely agree with those two sentences. I’ve felt the same way about accepting money when I’ve ever offered to “help”. As soon as I accept money, I no longer “want” to help, I feel like I “have” to help. Not fun. I’m glad you and your team are enjoying the experience. :)

• 30. Nikolay Kolev 13.11.2007 at 9:16 pm

  Martin: Thanks for explaining the situation. I am sorry you felt bad about my proposal - I just sincerely wanted to help. If I had the time, I would offer to help in other ways. Intype is great and we all complain about the release pace, because we want it so so badly! If we didn’t like it, we wouldn’t care!

• 31. Martin Cohen 14.11.2007 at 9:51 am

  Nikolay: No problem, Nikolay. I understand your attitude, and I am aware that releases are not regular and we are definitely working on it. It’s going to be much more easier now, because we all are based in Prague. I’ll be posting more on this…

• 32. Pipo Lambert 03.12.2007 at 7:47 am

  Disappointed not to see a new milestone, but glad intype’s still in the works!

  Your comments about $/pleasure to develop made a lot of sense, this makes us respect you even more; good for the long run :)

  Good luck!