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Anti-aliasing fonts in a nicer way than ClearType. Like Neatpad has (I just noticed). And maybe with customizable thickness or so.
Yeah, some of my fonts look somewhat weird in Intype when they’re not kerned/designed to play well with ClearType.
Hmm, that’s maybe because of non-standard font sizes are provided in the preferences dlg. I’ll fix it for the next 0.2.1 update.
Isn’t some of this down to the particular fonts people are using, and the cleartype rendering engine, both of which are largely out of intypes control?
dflock: Yes, of course… I’m suggesting doing a custom antialiasing mode, or just using the same as Neatpad (they’re using the same UI framework, right?)... so that you could make fonts display more smoothly/more readable. Try Neatpad out, change it in the prefs and choose a rather large font size (Neatpad’s antialiasing doesn’t look really good in small sizes…), or just try OS X – it has great antialiasing (pretty good at small sizes too). I don’t really know if this would be a hell of a lot of work or not, maybe one of the developers can fill me in.
Can you drop me a link to screenshots of comparation neatpad and intype, please?
Your can also try the xacc ide, it has one of the best antialiased font rendering I’ve ever seen:
xacc
The text selection is very beautifull too:
One screenshot
Honestly, xacc’s rendering looks like Windows’ Standard anti-aliasing…which is what I use and prefer over ClearType anyway. As far as the selection goes, I’d say that’s personal taste because I don’t like it. :)
As far as Neatpad is concerned, I found two projects that go by that name…
I just looked at both xacc screenshots, and they both use ClearType.
Here’s a screenshot of intype using the exact same font with ClearType: intypeil5.png
kib2: Your can also try the xacc ide, it has one of the best antialiased font rendering I’ve ever seen:
xacc
The text selection is very beautifull too:
One screenshot
I guess beauty is in the eye of the beholder then – I don’t like it either.
There’s a lot of mythology and emotion that’s built up over the differences between font rendering on different platforms and applications, especially when it comes to cleartype – most of it is just that, really.
The bottom line is that no-one is going to implement their own font rendering engine inside of an application, full stop. The OS does this, and you get whatever it provides, like it or not.
Most of the remaining differences come down to individuals fonts, cleartype/aa settings (which you can change) and display device & screenshot quality, I think.
Well, Neatpad obviously has an anti-aliasing mode of its own. Hit View -> Options -> More… to set it.
But what I would really love is a mode like that of OS X. Just look at this Textmate screenshot … It’s so beautiful I could start crying right now.
No, it doesn’t – it’s just letting you choose between the available options in the OS. The options presented in Neatpad are: None, Default, Antialiased, Cleartype.
None – means don’t use any font smoothing at all
Default – means use whatever settings the user has defined for the OS as a whole
Antialiased – means use the OS’s basic antialiasing only font smoothing mode
Cleartype – means use the OS’s cleartype (subpixel) font smoothing mode
Neatpad isn’t implementing any of these – it’s just exposing the options provided by the OS. These are all available in the Display settings for Windows – so if you like one of them, you can make the whole OS use it.
Most applications don’t expose these settings and just do the ‘Default’ one.
Ah… Well, anyways. Isn’t it possible at all to implement a custom mode, like what I’m talking about?
Who am I kidding, I should just get a Mac…
I think you can. At least java implements its own antialiasing. So it should be possible.
Yes, I suppose one could write ones own font rendering and hinting engine, but it would be a lot more work than writing a text editor :)
I’m not sure there’s much wrong with windows font rendering anyway
Yeah, in big sizes it’s good. But look at the screenshot from Textmate and compare it to Monaco on Windows. I don’t get the same warm, fuzzy feeling…
dflock: Yes, I suppose one could write ones own font rendering and hinting engine, but it would be a lot more work than writing a text editor :)
I’m not sure there’s much wrong with windows font rendering anyway
dflock what is the font that you are using in the screenshot? It is not consolas (different italic face), not lucida console (slashed zero).. .hmm what is it?
The font’s called Inconsolata and I’m using a modified version by DamienG
Not completely sold on it yet (and it’s not finished yet either) – I mostly use the rather good Consolas.
If you don’t like ClearType, I think Insonsolata is the best font when used in a dark color theme at size 11.
DeeLight: If you don’t like ClearType, I think Insonsolata is the best font when used in a dark color theme at size 11. Screenshot
Is that in Vista? I don’t get quite that look in XP. It looks better than I expected. Awesome.
DeeLight: If you don’t like ClearType, I think Insonsolata is the best font when used in a dark color theme at size 11.
Unfortunately Inconsolata did not support greek last time I checked which for me is a major drawback (and a reason to stay with Consolas).
I wonder if PEAR.php is written in jEdit? the comment triple opening and closing braces are is what jEdit calls the explicit folding mode if I recall correctly :P
Cheers,
Nick
Yeah, one really nice thing about MS fonts is that they have the resources and inclination to pay someone to fill in all those thousands of twiddly unicode glyphs.
corelon: I wonder if PEAR.php is written in jEdit? the comment triple opening and closing braces are is what jEdit calls the explicit folding mode if I recall correctly
No, probably Emacs or VI. The manual fold marks are used in lots of code following the GNU coding standards. I like them a lot myself and I hope Intype will support using them eventually.
The commenting is what Zend decided to use for their PHPDocumentor styling. It follows suit from Javadoc styling.
Tried Inconsolata, the larger X-height is nice, but it seems that there are problems with the edges of the letterforms. Probably caused by the absence of hinting. Hope the creator will add them in! I’ll stick to Consolas for now…
idyllrain: Tried Inconsolata, the larger X-height is nice, but it seems that there are problems with the edges of the letterforms. Probably caused by the absence of hinting. Hope the creator will add them in! I’ll stick to Consolas for now…
This is one of the problems with the current version of Inconsolata, especially with cleartype. This has been patially fixed in the modified InconsolataDG font (the DamienG link above), along with a few other things.
I found this awesome font rendering engine called D-Type. I have no idea how much the license costs, but if renders monospaced fonts as nicely as the proportional ones on their comparison page, this would be an awesome addition to intype (Once the team starts making money). It looks pretty much the same as how it renders in OS X when using the “Standard – best for CRT” style.
—edit—
Also found the Font Fusion rendering engine. This one is also very nice, but still no info on pricing.
Those look really nice…
Frederick: Neatpad hasn’t got it’s own antialiasing, as far as I know. Neatpad is using MS Uniscribe to render fonts, as Intype does. The four settings are standard quality settings under Windows
Sorry, but implementing “custom” anti-aliasing is a big luxury to me. And as I said before, the problem is perhaps with non-standard font sized provided in combo-box in the preferences, that may distort the anti-aliasing.
Yes, like I said further up.
It’s also partly the fonts fault – .ttf/otf files can contain logic and code for doing things like hinting and anti-aliasing as well as containing glyphs/letterforms. Some of them are just better than others – it’s not all down to the font rendering engine.
Frederick:
Is that in Vista? I don’t get quite that look in XP. It looks better than I expected. Awesome.
Have you tuned your ClearType properly? You can either download a PowerToy for WinXP, or you can tune it online instead.
And as a few have mentioned; how the font looks with ClearType enabled isn’t allways that great, it all depends on how the font is hinted. For the best result, you should probably use Consolas, which is created especially for ClearType, that’s why it looks so bad without ClearType enabled.
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