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      CommentAuthorRespect
    • CommentTimeJun 9th 2007
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    Has any one tried E-text editor? http://e-texteditor.com/ just wondering what you guys think of it so far if you have, im really looking forward to ether intype or e. Hoping each of them has something special to offer.
    • CommentAuthorIAIHMB
    • CommentTimeJun 9th 2007
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    I’d imagine that pretty much everyone here has. I’ve tried it and stuck with Intype because:

    1) cygwin – No need to elaborate.
    2) I despise e’s GUI.
    3) The last time I gave e a serious shot it decided that it would like to take a break every 15 to 30 minutes.

    I see that cygwin is no longer a requirement for snippets and whatnot so I might consider giving it another shot once items two and three on my list have been addressed. With that said, I’ll probably be a Mac tard long before Intype hits 1.0 or e gets its shit together.

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      CommentAuthorRespect
    • CommentTimeJun 9th 2007
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    i've used e for about a week now and there has not been any problems :/, but yeah i love intype and have used it to write a bunch of php stuff..but its missing things that e offers now (bundle editor, search, project manager etc.) though it seems that e has been around a bit longer, im hoping intype will be able to do the same things
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      CommentAuthorFrederick
    • CommentTimeJun 11th 2007
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    iaihmb: I’ll probably be a Mac tard long before Intype hits 1.0 or e gets its shit together.

    e won’t ever get its shit together, I don’t believe that will happen. Intype will probably hit 1.0 in like a little over a year or something? Just guessing. But by then I will certainly be a Mac user, and both OS X and TextMate will have gone forth in its evolution. I could probably use Intype in Parallels though ;)

    • CommentAuthordaniel
    • CommentTimeJun 11th 2007
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    Get what shit together? I use e for daily development with absolutely no problems.
    • CommentAuthori
    • CommentTimeJun 12th 2007
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    I use Notepad/Nano for daily development with no problems too… before I pampered myself with all the nice little things that more development-oriented editors offer. :P Most of Intype users feel that although e is vastly superior to Intype feature-wise in the current state, its user experience and UI is rather unwieldy.

    • CommentAuthordaniel
    • CommentTimeJun 12th 2007 edited
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    How is it relevant that you've successfully used Notepad/Nano for development? I see the point you're trying to make but it completely misses the mark. I'm comparing apples to apples here and your coding adventures in Notepad, and Nano has no place in this discussion since e IS an development oriented editor. Would you think I was making a sound argument if I argued that I've successfully used punch cards in the past until I discovered I could be a lot more efficient by typing?

    With that statement you are implying that although I'm not necessarily be having any having problems with e that there are features in Intype that make it superior (after all aren't development oriented editors superior to vi and nano for development? If not then why try to make the point?). I will tell you right here having used them both extensively that you are entirely wrong with that implication.

    Lets be honest. Right now e is the better editor if for no other fact than it is further along in development. I can certainly see the potential that intype has however, if development were to stop today on both editors I could still press on and use e in the current state but I wouldn't use intype to edit plain html as it stands right now. Again, I'm not knocking intype I'm just pointing out the fact that e is superior to intype at this point which in understandble since e has been in development longer.

    If we're talking aesthetics here then thats just plain stupid considering the editor is still being developed and by a single guy. If we're not talking aesthetics then what are we talking? What are these mystery horrific problems with e's interface? I'd change that bug ugly logo but again that aesthetics and thats about all I can point out at this point and I'm looking pretty damn hard.

    I'm glad he's not wasting time trying to make it beautiful when there is real work that needs to be done. He can always hire or bring an interface designer on board later when he gets the important features waxed. The way the editor looks is way down at the bottom of my list when it comes to whats important especially at such an early state of development.

    I'm not on one side or the other I just pride myself on being objective. I also recognize quality when I see it and get frustrated when I see bunch of straw man arguments towards e's interface with no other explaination than “e's interface sucks!” and the like. Both of these teams are working very hard to bring us a quality development tool so lets give them what they deserve and have an honest and thoughtful discussion.
    • CommentAuthorIngwar
    • CommentTimeJun 12th 2007
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    So, are we going to entertain ourselves with pointless advocacy while waiting for next Intype release? Yay, teh internets!

    Oh, and daniel - e has a huge advantage over Intype in that it actually exists. What you see here as a downloadable software is just an alpha version, that has been rewritten since its release. To make an analogy: it's like comparing an apple with a sketch of an apple. I don't see any sense in that.
    • CommentAuthordaniel
    • CommentTimeJun 12th 2007
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    Gotta do something to pass the time :-P
    • CommentAuthorIAIHMB
    • CommentTimeJun 12th 2007
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    I can certainly see the potential that intype has however, if development were to stop today on both editors I could still press on and use e in the current state but I wouldn’t use intype to edit plain html as it stands right now.

    What HTML oriented features does E have that Intype doesn’t?

    If we’re not talking aesthetics then what are we talking?

    Cygwin? Current and future stability?

    I think that people think E is a joke because it’s a one man project and features are being added all of the time. Everything about the development of E just seems wrong. It seems there’s no real direction and I’m under the impression that features are just being added to E all willy nilly whereas the developers of Intype have, at the very least, created the illusion of competence and professionalism.

    What are these mystery horrific problems with e’s interface? I’d change that bug ugly logo but again that aesthetics and thats about all I can point out at this point and I’m looking pretty damn hard.

    Where’s the mystery? E’s and eye sore.

    • CommentAuthorHannes
    • CommentTimeJun 12th 2007
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    iaihmb:
    What HTML oriented features does E have that Intype doesn’t?

    Have you ever installed the current version of e and have you ever worked with it? Seems like you did not.

    Where’s the mystery? E’s and eye sore.

    The mystery is, that you are just a little fanboy. :-)

    • CommentAuthori
    • CommentTimeJun 13th 2007 edited
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    daniel: How is it relevant that you’ve successfully used Notepad/Nano for development? I see the point you’re trying to make but it completely misses the mark.

    Apparently, you don’t see the point.

    daniel: Get what shit together? I use e for daily development with absolutely no problems.

    So I’ve used Notepad/Nano/Vim/SCITE/etc blah blah for daily development with no problems. I don’t see any problems with using them for dev. So why bring up that point?

    Ingwar is right, there’s no sense comparing these two apps when they are at very different stages of development.

    • CommentAuthorIAIHMB
    • CommentTimeJun 13th 2007
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    Have you ever installed the current version of e and have you ever worked with it? Seems like you did not.

    I see a number of items under “Bundles -> HTML” in E which aren’t present in Intype and that’s because E has implemented TextMate’s whole scripting in bundles feature which isn’t specific to HTML. Note that I said features and not functions. Most items under “Bundles -> HTML” in E rely on a single feature to provide different function. With that said I only see two items in that menu which stick out; “Insert color” and “Insert Websafe color”. “Insert color” has probably been there for a while but it seems “Insert Websafe color” was added recently. So, are you going to remove your head from your arse and join the conversation or what?

    The mystery is, that you are just a little fanboy. :-)

    Three words in and your wit fails you? Haha. You should finish grade school and come back.

    • CommentAuthorChank
    • CommentTimeJun 13th 2007
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    Isn't textmate only developed by one guy. Who cares that E is? If that one guy is getting
    it done and that works.

    We comparing e to what we all hope InType will be. InType at this point isn't any more
    useful than a visual clipboard in my opinion.

    Why is this even a debate. We all know that we live in a opinionated and discriminating world.
    Lets all get over our own egos and just use what makes you the most productive and if that means
    using something that is more aesthetically pleasing than something with more functionality than so
    be it. Every product has a niche.

    How about we save the debates for when we can actually do side by side feature comparisons of
    E vs Intype vs Textmate. It honestly boggles my mind as to why Textmate isn't just ported to cross
    platform code. Allan Oddgaard would make a nice profit that would make it well worth it. Not to
    mention great appreciation from all of us who can work with OSX all the time.
    • CommentAuthorIAIHMB
    • CommentTimeJun 13th 2007
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    Chank: Isn’t textmate only developed by one guy. Who cares that E is? If that one guy is getting it done and that works.

    I believe David Hansson had quite a bit to do with it in the beginning even though I don’t think that he actually did any of the developing. Besides, we’re not shooting for TextMate, we’d like something better. :)

    Why is this even a debate. We all know that we live in a opinionated and discriminating world. Lets all get over our own egos and just use what makes you the most productive and if that means using something that is more aesthetically pleasing than something with more functionality than so be it.

    Sorry about that, I was a bit less than civilized there.

    • CommentAuthorIngwar
    • CommentTimeJun 14th 2007
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    Chank: It honestly boggles my mind as to why Textmate isn’t just ported to cross
    platform code.

    I believe it’s because of all the UNIX-style shell scripting that TextMate heavily relies upon which would make porting difficult (e solves this by emploing Cygwin – one could argue about elegance of such solution). Also there is no good cross platform editing component available, except for maybe Scintilla which has its quirks and isn’t very well documented, at least in my opinion.

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    You just can't get better than Textmate. Until I see developers buying PC's just to use one piece of software and then you can maybe say that it will be better than Textmate.

    How about we all stop complaining and just let these guys (E and InType) develop software. Until we see "final" versions no one can really say much as far as who is better or will be better.
    • CommentAuthorgtcaz
    • CommentTimeJun 20th 2007
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    There's room enough for both. Use what you like and go make something interesting with it. It's like people who argue endlessly about Nikon vs. Canon or Fender vs. Gibson (Ford, no Chevy!).