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I can just agree with topicstarter. Availability as core feature for Zen Coding in Intype can be the really great thing for all web developers (as for me it is 95% of all Intype users).
I hope that since Intype is going to have JS core support, and Zen Coding is written in JS it can have very good integration with intype, so getting a great developer’s tool is just a question of time.
The only thing killing inType is the slow development.
mahcuz: The only thing killing inType is the slow development.
You people need to be blocked out of development until the first retail release…
then, you will not measure the software for the time it took to develop it, but appreciate the software for it’s unique & marvelous approach to UX, for it’s long methodical intuitive and welcoming UI throughout the project. even despite the characteristics aforementioned, Intype is (light)ning fast and memory efficient.
a long and hard voyage to make intype the best there is. now going for more then 4 years, keeping the software clean, fast & smart, hence the long term development.
yes, not yet feature-full, and yet i am using it as my main editor for all my projects since the latest stable beta (2 years?) – never missed any feature.
it’s not slow development. it’s consistent, original & completely comprehensive development.
spread the word.
Jobs is a Perfectionist psychopath, who work-crushed his employees causing them emotional distress and lowered them to ash. Blatant and inhuman. he did deliver but still, This is not an example of imitation.
It is slow development. Don’t be dumb. Intype is great, but the developers have a serious problem. 4 years and all they have is an alpha? Again, don’t be dumb.
Just checked back and looked at the Google Code-activities, the blog and the forum. It seems that you don’t learn anything of your mistakes and we can say, that you do that kind of development since years now. Just write another blogpost with useless information and draw a red herring across the track. You’ll get your “nice job! can’t wait! awesome! good news! bla bla!” comments and the whole crap starts all over again.
Sad story …
I really enjoyed InType in the last years and hoped that some day we will get a nice editor to buy.
But I’m 38 now and I can’t wait till I’m 65 when InType 1.0 is released (if it ever will be).
I’m back in LaTex the last weeks and the current version of InType doesn’t fit my requirements for
efficiently work in environments like LaTex.
So I stumbled upon EmEditor. I never recognized this editor, but its definitly one of the best tools on
windows. Its the fasted editor out there, you even get a 64bit version, it has snippets, projects,
syntax highlighting, vertical selections, open files up to over 200 gb, has macros and all the other
stuff.
I’m on InType for the last years till yesterday and EmEditor feels like InType as a release version.
In fact it has all the features that InType may will have in an unknown future. It costs 40 EUR, but
thats the price I would have paid for a final InType-version, thats okay.
So give EmEditor a try and you can still look in this forum for updates… in one year or ten.
http://www.emeditor.com/
baael: I’m not sure which Intype version you have installed. I assume it’s 0.3.1.547. You might want to get 0.3.1.734 (now linked from the homepage — it is actually an “Unstable” release, but still is more stable and has much more features and bug fixes than the 547). For the minuses compared to 0.3.5:
- alpha last few years, maybe even dead not dead, but under a painfully slow development
- no bookmarks implemented in 0.3.5
- no file listener implemented in 0.3.5
- intendation after open file not sure what this means, can you detail it, please?
- no fast open dialog if you have 734 release, try Alt+Shift+O (Quick Open) that works over the project files, recent files and currently opened files
- disadvantage^10: only few minor fixes will make people happy in current unstable version, but no one is interested in implementing it true, very true, but still, we’re in alpha
- no line end white char removing option this is not implemented yet in 0.3.5, but it’s in the pipeline
“- intendation after open file not sure what this means, can you detail it, please?”
I mean it loose memory about it, it seems like every open of file add +2 to intendation (in sass or haml for example)
“- no fast open dialog”
I forgot about this option, i mean something more like in sublime :)
@martincohen – may I ask what is slowing down development? is 0.3.5 ready enough for an “unstable” release?
Honestly, even in it’s current state Intype works great for what I use it, and (as baael mentioned) it is far nicer than any other editor I’ve tried/looked into. Will keep patiently hoping for some updates. The thing is free so I couldn’t really complain anyway :)
baael:
Redcar editor: – slow – java & jruby dependent
+ fast development
+ easy to customize, in source or via plugins
+ looks very promising
You’re wrong, Redcar does not require Jruby OR Java. It just requires Ruby:
“All you need to run Redcar is Ruby (note: you do not need JRuby).”
http://wiki.github.com/danlucraft/redcar/installation
martincohen:
~*not dead, but under a painfully slow development*
~*this is not implemented yet in 0.3.5, but it’s in the pipeline*
Nobody cares whats going to be in 3.5 if it never gets released.
yarden:
~You people need to be blocked out of development until the first retail release…
This isn’t the users fault. The InType team chose to release a public alpha. People are going to use it. People are going to offer their opinion. I think a lot of the people who do offer their opinion and want to use this product have a lot more experience with software development than the InType team or you have. They might just be on to something with their remarks. Your defense of the InType team is rather ignoble. You’re not doing them any justice at all. The InType team made their bed, now they have to sleep in it. They created and continue to cultivate the kind of comments that are made on this board by their lack of progress and communication. My best advice on this is if they want to continue to work on it, to take the project completely offline and then resurface once they can commit to the community that will build around the product.
yarden: Jobs is a Perfectionist psychopath, who work-crushed his employees causing them emotional distress and lowered them to ash. Blatant and inhuman. he did deliver but still, This is not an example of imitation.
Your perception of a man you probably have never met is rather laughable. You probably have little idea what its like to work within a US company. I’ll admit he might be a hard man to work for, but he is a certifiable genius in business whereas you are not. His ability to take apple from the dumps to a company valued higher than even Microsoft and is still gaining speed is a fact of that. Also, Apple still has a reputation for fostering individuality and excellence that reliably draws talented people into its employ, especially after Jobs’ return. If he is such a hard man to work for, all the people that make all those awesome products that so many people want to buy, wouldn’t be working there.
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On another note, what I really came here for before I decided to read this thread.
“Damn, you guys still haven’t released anything.”
finder, thank you for showing me the light :)
we have different perspectives. i don’t agree with you, as you would assume.
the word “fault” is not the word to describe this situation. there is not fault here to take responsibility for. some user’s want to have the new release, and the developers are still working on it. it’s not a government service, it’s personal project that happens to be online. i wonder if anyone ever came to Leonard Cohen lately and said “real artists ship” or “Damn, you still haven’t released anything.”.
Every new thing Apple release is very popular, although it’s never innovative. Apple has always used existing ideas. it’s more the Apple graphic design and marketing department’s that i give the credit to. that’s why the results are “awesome products that so many people want to buy”. Apple has nothing good/new to show but a great marketing team.
thank you for the personal attack, what a great user.
yarden:
we have different perspectives. i don’t agree with you, as you would assume.
thank you for the personal attack, what a great user.
Fault is from a view point. All users want a new release. You can count on that. If it’s a personal project, then there is really no need for a community for it? Why would you care what your users say if it’s just for your own personal enjoyment. What I got from it is that they are trying to build a product, not a piece of art, that people will want to use. Also, real artists do ship. People who don’t are artistic hobbyists. Yes, “damn, you haven’t released anything” means just that. This development team, who stated that they wanted to build a product that people wanted to use, after soliciting feedback, after failing to communicate, after failing to show progress have nothing to show the people who have wanted your product for so long.
Everyone knows that Apple isn’t an innovator. They build products that work, with an aesthetic that pleases. So people want to buy it. InType isn’t anything innovative either. They are trying to build a product, that works and aesthetically pleases. The only difference is. Apple shipped. Yes, Apples product design and marketing teams work very hard and are great at their jobs. That’s why they have jobs. Also, I am sure Mr. Jobs has a hand in everything they do.
I don’t know you in person, so I can’t tell if this is just your inexperience, naivety or some ego you have. if you want to call it a “personal” attack, ok. Every time I see you post, it’s about how wrong you think everyone else is in chastising the development team for lack of progress and/or communication. I see no body of work listed on your personal website (http://yarden.cc) nor within your twitter account(http://twitter.com/yardensachs) that states what kind of experience you have either with building and releasing great software or running a community built around one, that you would know better. I mean because your 21 years on this planet make you more qualified than most eh? There is the difference between a personal attack and just telling you how it is sir.
Totally agree finder.
yarden: the word “fault” is not the word to describe this situation. there is not fault here to take responsibility for. some user’s want to have the new release, and the developers are still working on it. it’s not a government service, it’s personal project that happens to be online.
yarden: Reading your sentences is like having Jehova’s witnesses in front of you while they trying to justify that the bible is no bullsh**.
finder: There is the difference between a personal attack and just telling you how it is sir.
Chriha: yarden: Reading your sentences is like having Jehova’s witnesses in front of you while they trying to justify that the bible is no bullsh**.
again, we have different perspectives.
You will get your toy very soon. stay tuned.
mtarnovan:
You’re wrong, Redcar does not require Jruby OR Java. It just requires Ruby:
“All you need to run Redcar is Ruby (note: you do not need JRuby).”
http://wiki.github.com/danlucraft/redcar/installation
yep
$ sudo gem install redcar
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Please now run:
$ redcar install
to complete the installation.
(If you installed the gem with 'sudo', you will need to run 'sudo redcar install').
NB. This will download jars that Redcar needs to run from the internet. It will put
them only into the Redcar gem directory.
------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Successfully installed rubyzip-0.9.4
Successfully installed redcar-0.3.7.1
2 gems installed
Installing ri documentation for rubyzip-0.9.4...
Installing ri documentation for redcar-0.3.7.1...
Installing RDoc documentation for rubyzip-0.9.4...
Installing RDoc documentation for redcar-0.3.7.1...
$ sudo redcar install
Redcar 0.3.7.1 ( i486-linux )
Can't find jruby jar at /usr/lib/ruby/gems/1.8/gems/redcar-0.3.7.1/lib/jruby-complete-1.5.0.jar, did you run 'redcar install' ?
yarden: You will get your toy very soon. stay tuned.
Which soon did you mean? The “in the next months”-soon or the “in a few years”-soon?
Hello? Can someone explain the meaning of this word, please!?
soon…
my guess would be (and this is only a guess) August – September 2010.
I’m basing this on the cosmic force that accompany me – telling me that’s the time.
soon… :)
yarden: soon…
my guess would be (and this is only a guess) August – September 2010.
I’m basing this on the cosmic force that accompany me – telling me that’s the time.
soon… :)
aug-sep 11, ok
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